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[173.13.139.236]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id or6si14380844pbc.0.2012.05.10.19.08.22 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 10 May 2012 19:08:22 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.236 as permitted sender) client-ip=173.13.139.236; Received: from rlpowell by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SSfHJ-0005ID-Mt for lojban@googlegroups.com; Thu, 10 May 2012 19:08:21 -0700 Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 19:08:21 -0700 From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] bugs in jbovlaste Message-ID: <20120511020821.GC27762@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban@googlegroups.com References: <13765994.1942.1336566814390.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@ynss9> <20120509170127.GR27762@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <27554010.67.1336587846504.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yngr14> <20120509192018.GS27762@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <524651.567.1336675068460.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbak7> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <524651.567.1336675068460.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbak7> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Original-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.236 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 11:37:48AM -0700, ianek wrote: > > > On Wednesday, May 9, 2012 9:20:18 PM UTC+2, Robin Powell wrote: > > > > On Wed, May 09, 2012 at 11:24:06AM -0700, ianek wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, May 9, 2012 7:01:27 PM UTC+2, Robin Powell wrote: > > > > > Ad c. Maybe we should make jbovlaste 2.0? I think it's the > > > > > hardest part... > > > > > > > > I've also requested this many times. I gather Dag has done > > > > some work here, but nothing worth showing off. > > > > > > > > > > To complete such a project you need at least two people: one > > > who has the resources to do it (skill, time, will) and > > > another, who knows what they want from this project and can > > > demand from the former (which includes setting deadlines) and > > > preferably has some power over them (eg. by paying them for > > > work). It's not easy to get such two people, but it's even > > > harder (pe'i) to get a bigger project done without them. > > > > I'm perfectly capable of being the demander, if I had any > > evidence that there was anyone around here who could be the > > do-er; everyone who has ever offered to help with anything > > around here has stopped helping within, at the very longest, > > about a month[1]. > > > > By saying "perfectly capable of being the demander" you (pe'i) > don't mean that you have some power over potential doers, which is > pe'i the source of problems. But it's really hard to gain power > without lots of money, so I'm afraid I can't help here. Right, I meant capable of managing, not capable of providing external motivation for people to be managed. In a community this large, I would expect to *occassionally* call for volunteers and actually get some significant help, but that hasn't been the case, really, ever. It's kind of disturbing, honestly. I wonder what is wrong. -Robin -- http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. .i ko na cpedu lo nu stidi vau loi jbopre .i danfu lu na go'i li'u .e lu go'i li'u .i ji'a go'i lu na'e go'i li'u .e lu go'i na'i li'u .e lu no'e go'i li'u .e lu to'e go'i li'u .e lu lo mamta be do cu sofybakni li'u -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.