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Subject: [lojban] Re: bugs in jbovlaste
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Sounds like PHP philosophy ;)
"Yes, this part of the language is broken, but we'll never fix it
because it breaks compatibility"

On 11 Maj, 12:21, gleki <gleki.is.my.n...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thursday, May 10, 2012 10:37:48 PM UTC+4, ianek wrote:
>
> > On Wednesday, May 9, 2012 9:20:18 PM UTC+2, Robin Powell wrote:
>
> >> On Wed, May 09, 2012 at 11:24:06AM -0700, ianek wrote:
>
> >> > On Wednesday, May 9, 2012 7:01:27 PM UTC+2, Robin Powell wrote:
>
> >> > > On Wed, May 09, 2012 at 05:33:34AM -0700, ianek wrote:
> >> > > > coi rodo Quite often I hear that something in jbovlaste isn't
> >> > > > good (usually misleading keywords). But jbovlaste is not
> >> > > > carved in stone! How come people keep complaining and errors
> >> > > > are still there? I have some hypotheses:
>
> >> > > > a) people are lazy
>
> >> > > It's more-or-less that; jbovlaste is written in a language
> >> > > framework that no-one around here really likes, the original
> >> > > author is gone, and I don't have the time. =A0I've asked for help
> >> > > with it several times, and been totally ignored.
>
> >> > I was talking about seperate things: the jbovlaste data and the
> >> > jbovlaste interface. People complain about the data, especially
> >> > misleading keywords/glosses. And AFAIK glosses are not baselined
> >> > and can be changed at any time, unlike gismu definitions. And yet
> >> > they stay the same.
>
> >> Gloss words for *gismu* are absolutely official, don't touch them.
> >> Make notes at
> >>http://www.lojban.org/tiki/BPFK+Section%3A+gismu+Issues, and if you
> >> want me to get to them faster, help with CLLv1.1.
>
> > Fine, I've just added aionys' complaints about familial gismu, and also
> > xorxes' proposed definition of xruti. If anynone knows about other prop=
osed
> > changes, please check whether they're there and if not, add them.
>
> What's that with {xruti}? It's agentive, don't touch it!
> Let's create another experimental gismu with the definition {x1 (agent)
> returns to origin/earlier state x3 from x4} or possibly with another orde=
r
> of sumti.
> But {xruti} must retain the meaning.
> *OTHERWISE WE'LL LOSE COMPATIBILITY WITH OLDER TEXTS.*
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >> For everything else, if you think it needs fixing, change it.
> >> Anything can be edited by anyone with an account.
>
> >> > > > Ad c. Maybe we should make jbovlaste 2.0? I think it's the
> >> > > > hardest part...
>
> >> > > I've also requested this many times. =A0I gather Dag has done some
> >> > > work here, but nothing worth showing off.
>
> >> > To complete such a project you need at least two people: one who
> >> > has the resources to do it (skill, time, will) and another, who
> >> > knows what they want from this project and can demand from the
> >> > former (which includes setting deadlines) and preferably has some
> >> > power over them (eg. by paying them for work). It's not easy to
> >> > get such two people, but it's even harder (pe'i) to get a bigger
> >> > project done without them.
>
> >> I'm perfectly capable of being the demander, if I had any evidence
> >> that there was anyone around here who could be the do-er; everyone
> >> who has ever offered to help with anything around here has stopped
> >> helping within, at the very longest, about a month[1].
>
> > By saying "perfectly capable of being the demander" you (pe'i) don't me=
an
> > that you have some power over potential doers, which is pe'i the source=
 of
> > problems. But it's really hard to gain power without lots of money, so =
I'm
> > afraid I can't help here.
>
> >> We have money, but we don't have the kind of money to pay someone to
> >> complete a large-scale programming project at reasonable rates.
>
> >> -Robin
>
> >> [1]: There actually is one exception, but he had little choice as
> >> his mother insisted that he work, volunteer, or leave her house;
> >> IIRC he lasted for like 2 months, maybe 3, before suddenly stopping
> >> work for no apparent reason; I have no idea what he told his mom.
>
> >> --
> >>http://singinst.org/: =A0Our last, best hope for a fantastic future.
> >> .i ko na cpedu lo nu stidi vau loi jbopre .i danfu lu na go'i li'u .e
> >> lu go'i li'u .i ji'a go'i lu na'e go'i li'u .e lu go'i na'i li'u .e
> >> lu no'e go'i li'u .e lu to'e go'i li'u .e lu lo mamta be do cu sofybak=
ni
> >> li'u

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