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It seems to me like some of the gismu are somewhat redundant to other
gismu, or exist solely for the sake of simplifying lujvo.

My favourite example is {binxo}
All of the following are equivalent:
i mi binxo lo cusku
i mi co'a ckaji lo ka ce'u cusku
i mi co'a cusku

the transformations are possible by virtue of:
i da zo'u da binxo lo broda ijo da co'a ckaji lo ka ce'u broda
i da zo'u da co'a ckaji lo ka ce'u broda ijo da co'a broda

This makes binxo and ckaji useless, when not using KOhA in the x2.

Some others are facki, cilre, etc. which can be all reduced into djuno, or
djuno + zukte.
(Actually, a lot of gismu are GISMU + zukte)

i da de di zo'u da facki de di ijo da co'a djuno de di
(not to mention: i da de di zo'u ca'a lo du'u da facki de di kei di ckaji
de; which leads me to believe that facki2, djuno2, cilre2, etc. are ka1,
not du'u1)
i daxipa daxire daxici daxivo daximu zo'u daxipa cilre daxire daxici daxivo
deximu ijo da zukte daximu lo nu daxipa co'a djuno daxire daxici ra'i daxivo

mu'o mi'e la tsani

On 12 May 2012 08:07, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 5:22 AM, gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> >>I have a hard time believing that. I would need you to show me an
>> example of this, as there are nearly 1400 gismu currently.
>>
>> A hard work to do. You probably will want to see the list of definitions
>> of the rest of the gismu as combinations of the selected 340. And I don't
>> have this currently. As for the list without definitions it'll be
>> stabilised in several weeks.
>>
>
> I didn't say the whole list. I said an example.
>
>
> --
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It seems to me like some of the gismu are somewhat redundant to other gismu=
, or exist solely for the sake of simplifying lujvo.<div><br></div><div>My =
favourite example is {binxo}</div><div>All of the following are equivalent:=
</div>

<div>i mi binxo lo cusku</div><div>i mi co&#39;a ckaji lo ka ce&#39;u cusku=
</div><div>i mi co&#39;a cusku</div><div><br></div><div>the transformations=
 are possible by virtue of:</div><div>i da zo&#39;u da binxo lo broda ijo d=
a co&#39;a ckaji lo ka ce&#39;u broda</div>

<div>i da zo&#39;u da co&#39;a ckaji lo ka ce&#39;u broda ijo da co&#39;a b=
roda</div><div><br></div><div>This makes binxo and ckaji useless, when not =
using KOhA in the x2.</div><div><br></div><div>Some others are facki, cilre=
, etc. which can be all reduced into djuno, or djuno + zukte.</div>

<div>(Actually, a lot of gismu are GISMU + zukte)</div><div><br></div><div>=
i da de di zo&#39;u da facki de di ijo da co&#39;a djuno de di</div><div>(n=
ot to mention: i da de di zo&#39;u ca&#39;a lo du&#39;u da facki de di kei =
di ckaji de; which leads me to believe that facki2, djuno2, cilre2, etc. ar=
e ka1, not du&#39;u1)</div>

<div>i daxipa daxire daxici daxivo daximu zo&#39;u daxipa cilre daxire daxi=
ci daxivo deximu ijo da zukte daximu lo nu daxipa co&#39;a djuno daxire dax=
ici ra&#39;i daxivo</div><div><br></div><div>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e la tsani<br>

<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 12 May 2012 08:07, Jonathan Jones <span d=
ir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:eyeonus@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">eyeon=
us@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" sty=
le=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

<div class=3D"im"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 5:22 A=
M, gleki <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com=
" target=3D"_blank">gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><bl=
ockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #=
ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">


<div>&gt;&gt;I have a hard time believing that. I would need you to show me=
 an example of this, as there are nearly 1400 gismu currently.<br>
<br>
</div>A hard work to do. You probably will want to see the list of definiti=
ons of the rest of the gismu as combinations of the selected 340. And I don=
&#39;t have this currently. As for the list without definitions it&#39;ll b=
e stabilised in several weeks.<br>


</blockquote></div><br></div>I didn&#39;t say the whole list. I said an exa=
mple.<div class=3D"im HOEnZb"><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>mu&#39;o mi&#39;=
e .aionys.<br><br>.i.e&#39;ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. m=
i patfu do zo&#39;o<br>

(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )<br>
<br>

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