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> Except for arguably cilre/facki, none of those are synonyms.
I never said they were *synonymous*, I said that they could be reduced
into one or an other. If one *does* use the more degenerate form, then
there're additional implications to be handled, such as tense,
usually.
Also, I'd say that the difference between "learning" and "finding out"
is that one requires volition.
I don't see things like [i mi cilre lo du'u lo mamtymamta cu co'a
morsi], I see things like [i mi facki lo du'u...].
Some synonyms:
mrobi'o and co'amro
tolyli'a and klamu'o
ckaji and tolcau
claxu and tolkai
binxo and co'arkai
cliva and klama
lasna and jongau

mu'o mi'e la tsani

On 12 May 2012 15:50, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Except for arguably cilre/facki, none of those are synonyms.
>
> Insofar as Lojban is concerned, what I consider to be a synonym are those
> which differ only in place structure, where all that is required for them to
> have the same place structure- and the thereby the exact same meaning- are
> the use of one or more of FA, SE, zi'o, and BAI.
>
>
> On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 11:11 AM, Jacob Errington <nictytan@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> It seems to me like some of the gismu are somewhat redundant to other
>> gismu, or exist solely for the sake of simplifying lujvo.
>>
>> My favourite example is {binxo}
>> All of the following are equivalent:
>> i mi binxo lo cusku
>> i mi co'a ckaji lo ka ce'u cusku
>> i mi co'a cusku
>>
>> the transformations are possible by virtue of:
>> i da zo'u da binxo lo broda ijo da co'a ckaji lo ka ce'u broda
>> i da zo'u da co'a ckaji lo ka ce'u broda ijo da co'a broda
>>
>> This makes binxo and ckaji useless, when not using KOhA in the x2.
>>
>> Some others are facki, cilre, etc. which can be all reduced into djuno,
>> or djuno + zukte.
>> (Actually, a lot of gismu are GISMU + zukte)
>>
>> i da de di zo'u da facki de di ijo da co'a djuno de di
>> (not to mention: i da de di zo'u ca'a lo du'u da facki de di kei di ckaji
>> de; which leads me to believe that facki2, djuno2, cilre2, etc. are ka1, not
>> du'u1)
>> i daxipa daxire daxici daxivo daximu zo'u daxipa cilre daxire daxici
>> daxivo deximu ijo da zukte daximu lo nu daxipa co'a djuno daxire daxici ra'i
>> daxivo
>>
>> mu'o mi'e la tsani
>>
>> On 12 May 2012 08:07, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 5:22 AM, gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >>I have a hard time believing that. I would need you to show me an
>>>> >> example of this, as there are nearly 1400 gismu currently.
>>>>
>>>> A hard work to do. You probably will want to see the list of
>>>> definitions of the rest of the gismu as combinations of the selected 340.
>>>> And I don't have this currently. As for the list without definitions it'll
>>>> be stabilised in several weeks.
>>>
>>>
>>> I didn't say the whole list. I said an example.
>>>
>>>
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