Received: from mail-ey0-f189.google.com ([209.85.215.189]:36027) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1STQse-0003ye-Ky; Sat, 12 May 2012 21:58:16 -0700 Received: by eaad14 with SMTP id d14sf2412405eaa.16 for ; Sat, 12 May 2012 21:57:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=PTjnfwNMck0Yr1eGrANvGOh/GAPflMyV1g+5xzuKmQQ=; b=K7r5on+8mE7jIyKSjM1f4B92j3CfhMUxT/DaairS4msonGzZf96zSCHG10DzGvrcAB bWkiTcKLu43PFPhYBGF/k+wWhOSZTwZodOSnI3T6OqHcCSgwtICNI4HBlvp619U7E+0O p0CGwUjLgtLEhi3CS2IE1BogeBS9Qd8xh3Z00= Received: by 10.204.153.196 with SMTP id l4mr77508bkw.17.1336885076689; Sat, 12 May 2012 21:57:56 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.130.88 with SMTP id r24ls6610687bks.4.gmail; Sat, 12 May 2012 21:57:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.205.122.65 with SMTP id gf1mr370472bkc.2.1336885074882; Sat, 12 May 2012 21:57:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.205.122.65 with SMTP id gf1mr370471bkc.2.1336885074863; Sat, 12 May 2012 21:57:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lb0-f177.google.com (mail-lb0-f177.google.com [209.85.217.177]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ig3si17426883bkc.3.2012.05.12.21.57.54 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 12 May 2012 21:57:54 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.177 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.217.177; Received: by lbbgg6 with SMTP id gg6so3693132lbb.22 for ; Sat, 12 May 2012 21:57:54 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.123.244 with SMTP id md20mr3676854lab.0.1336885074421; Sat, 12 May 2012 21:57:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.22.68 with HTTP; Sat, 12 May 2012 21:57:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <13765994.1942.1336566814390.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@ynss9> <20120509170127.GR27762@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <27554010.67.1336587846504.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yngr14> <20120509192018.GS27762@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <524651.567.1336675068460.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbak7> <28872598.911.1336731707204.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbws2> <20120511233208.GC1837@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <7475709.243.1336804273567.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbq5> <26105036.424.1336821755715.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@ynmb39> Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 22:57:54 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Word changing and word creation (was Re: [lojban] bugs in jbovlaste) From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.177 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d042f9cd8f766d104bfe3cf28 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --f46d042f9cd8f766d104bfe3cf28 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 9:42 PM, Jacob Errington wrote: > > Except for arguably cilre/facki, none of those are synonyms. > I never said they were *synonymous*, I said that they could be reduced > into one or an other. If one *does* use the more degenerate form, then > there're additional implications to be handled, such as tense, > usually. > Also, I'd say that the difference between "learning" and "finding out" > is that one requires volition. > I don't see things like [i mi cilre lo du'u lo mamtymamta cu co'a > morsi], I see things like [i mi facki lo du'u...]. > Some synonyms: > mrobi'o and co'amro > tolyli'a and klamu'o > ckaji and tolcau > claxu and tolkai > binxo and co'arkai > cliva and klama > lasna and jongau > Most of those aren't gismu, so they don't count, leaving us with only cliva/klama.Don't respond to something if you're addressing it. -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. 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On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 9:42 PM, Jacob Errington= <nictytan@gmail.com> wrote:
> Except for arguably cilre/facki, none of those are s= ynonyms.
I never said they were *synonymous*, I said that they could be reduce= d
into one or an other. If one *does* use the more degenerate form, then
there're additional implications to be handled, such as tense,
usually.
Also, I'd say that the difference between "learning" and &quo= t;finding out"
is that one requires volition.
I don't see things like [i mi cilre lo du'u lo mamtymamta cu co'= ;a
morsi], I see things like [i mi facki lo du'u...].
Some synonyms:
mrobi'o and co'amro
tolyli'a and klamu'o
ckaji and tolcau
claxu and tolkai
binxo and co'arkai
cliva and klama
lasna and jongau

Most of those aren&= #39;t gismu, so they don't count, leaving us with only cliva/klama.Don&= #39;t respond to something if you're addressing it.

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