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On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 11:01 PM, MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 12:57 AM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 9:42 PM, Jacob Errington <nictytan@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>>  > Except for arguably cilre/facki, none of those are synonyms.
>>> I never said they were *synonymous*, I said that they could be reduced
>>> into one or an other. If one *does* use the more degenerate form, then
>>> there're additional implications to be handled, such as tense,
>>> usually.
>>> Also, I'd say that the difference between "learning" and "finding out"
>>> is that one requires volition.
>>> I don't see things like [i mi cilre lo du'u lo mamtymamta cu co'a
>>> morsi], I see things like [i mi facki lo du'u...].
>>> Some synonyms:
>>> mrobi'o and co'amro
>>> tolyli'a and klamu'o
>>> ckaji and tolcau
>>> claxu and tolkai
>>> binxo and co'arkai
>>> cliva and klama
>>> lasna and jongau
>>>
>>
>> Most of those aren't gismu, so they don't count, leaving us with only
>> cliva/klama.Don't respond to something if you're addressing it.
>>
>
> Is this supposed to be ".. if you're NOT addressing it"?
>
> stevo
>

Yes.

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<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 11:01 PM, Morphe=
meAddict <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lytlesw@gmail.com" target=
=3D"_blank">lytlesw@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D=
"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding=
-left:1ex">
<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div class=3D"im">On Sun, May 13, 2012 a=
t 12:57 AM, Jonathan Jones <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:eyeonus@=
gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">eyeonus@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><bl=
ockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #=
ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">


<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div>On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 9:42 PM, Jacob Erri=
ngton <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:nictytan@gmail.com" target=3D=
"_blank">nictytan@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br></div><blockquote clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;pad=
ding-left:1ex">


<div>
<div>&gt; Except for arguably cilre/facki, none of those are synonyms.<br>
</div></div><div>I never said they were *synonymous*, I said that they coul=
d be reduced<br>
into one or an other. If one *does* use the more degenerate form, then<br>
there&#39;re additional implications to be handled, such as tense,<br>
usually.<br>
Also, I&#39;d say that the difference between &quot;learning&quot; and &quo=
t;finding out&quot;<br>
is that one requires volition.<br>
I don&#39;t see things like [i mi cilre lo du&#39;u lo mamtymamta cu co&#39=
;a<br>
morsi], I see things like [i mi facki lo du&#39;u...].<br>
Some synonyms:<br>
mrobi&#39;o and co&#39;amro<br>
tolyli&#39;a and klamu&#39;o<br>
ckaji and tolcau<br>
claxu and tolkai<br>
binxo and co&#39;arkai<br>
cliva and klama<br>
lasna and jongau<br clear=3D"all"></div></blockquote><div><br>Most of those=
 aren&#39;t gismu, so they don&#39;t count, leaving us with only cliva/klam=
a.Don&#39;t respond to something if you&#39;re addressing it. <br></div>


</div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>Is this supposed to be &quot;.=
. if you&#39;re NOT addressing it&quot;?</div><div><br></div><div>stevo=A0<=
/div></div></blockquote></div><br>Yes.<br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>mu&#39;o=
 mi&#39;e .aionys.<br>
<br>.i.e&#39;ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo&=
#39;o<br>(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )<br><br>

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