On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 6:13 AM, Jacob Errington= <nictytan@gmail.com> wrote:

I'm afraid no one is really understanding what I'm trying to get ac= ross.
With my list, I'm simply saying that a lot of gismu can be "remove= d"
by virtue of the fact that they're simply an agentive version, a
volitional version, or an implicitly tensed version of another gismu.
A few can be reduced into djuno, and some can almost be eliminated
(ckaji), where as for agentives, lasna is just jorne+BAI, in
particular {gau}. Isn't that what you said was your definition of
synonymous, eyeonous?

No, because we are only cons= idering gismu, and you are talking about=20 lujvo. I also said I only consider them synonyms if they can be made=20 into each other using /only/ FA, SE, zi'o, and BAI.

Secondly, t= he issue is regarding gleki's assertion that nearly 1000 of the current= ~1300 gismu could be completely eliminated because they are synonyms of /o= ther/ gismu.
=A0

On 13 May 2012 01:15, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
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> On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 11:01 PM, MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 12:57 AM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 9:42 PM, Jacob Errington <nictytan@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Except for arguably cilre/facki, none of those are sy= nonyms.
>>>> I never said they were *synonymous*, I said that they coul= d be reduced
>>>> into one or an other. If one *does* use the more degenerat= e form, then
>>>> there're additional implications to be handled, such a= s tense,
>>>> usually.
>>>> Also, I'd say that the difference between "learni= ng" and "finding out"
>>>> is that one requires volition.
>>>> I don't see things like [i mi cilre lo du'u lo mam= tymamta cu co'a
>>>> morsi], I see things like [i mi facki lo du'u...].
>>>> Some synonyms:
>>>> mrobi'o and co'amro
>>>> tolyli'a and klamu'o
>>>> ckaji and tolcau
>>>> claxu and tolkai
>>>> binxo and co'arkai
>>>> cliva and klama
>>>> lasna and jongau
>>>
>>>
>>> Most of those aren't gismu, so they don't count, leavi= ng us with only
>>> cliva/klama.Don't respond to something if you're addre= ssing it.
>>
>>
>> Is this supposed to be ".. if you're NOT addressing it&qu= ot;?
>>
>> stevo
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>
> Yes.
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>
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