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Clifford" X-Apple-Yahoo-Replied-Msgid: 2_0_0_48_14543432_ABvdi2IAAVPbT6+qQQggpzNs7h4 Subject: Re: [lojban] Etymology of future gismu (if they are to be created) Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 09:19:51 -0500 To: "lojban@googlegroups.com" X-Original-Sender: kali9putra@yahoo.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 98.139.52.204 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kali9putra@yahoo.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@yahoo.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / It is worth noting that the claim that this familiarity idea for gismu has = never been tested. While there are anecdotal claims of how it helped learn= ing some words, there are about the same number of anecdotes about how it m= istaught or slowed the learning of others. In any case, the advantage over= random words seems slight and probably not enough to offset the advantages= of more controlled word development (equitable spread, useful rafsi, etc.)= . Sent from my iPad On May 13, 2012, at 7:34 AM, gleki wrote: >>> Back when they were making the gismu list, they tested various numbers = of=20 > source languages. When they tried more than 8, the algorithm behaved like= a=20 > random-word generator. 6 is the number they found the best for making wor= ds=20 > that are recognizable to a large number of people.=20 >=20 > This disproves JCB's theory (of global etymology that he mentioned in his= article in SciAm). > However, this can be easily checked. >=20 > Mark somewhere in your notes or browser bookmarks. >=20 > *If it comes to creating new gismu ask me (If I'm still around at that ti= me). > I'll give you etymology, sources/dictionaries/audio samples and the scori= ng results for the concepts that you choose.* >=20 > --=20 > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= "lojban" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/= lojban/-/efem0BkdLSIJ. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegr= oups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojb= an?hl=3Den. >=20 --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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