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Are you trying to tell me that lasna isn't not jorne + gau ?
catra is morsi + gau

As you must definitely be aware, [gau] is a BAI. Therefore, according
to your own logic, these are synonymous.
Also, if you're allowing *BAI* to produce synonyms, how come NAhE
isn't? Seems to me like it should, because there're quite a few
antonymous gismu.

Not to mention the "subjective/objective" gismu such as:
-dukse and bancu
-carmi and mutce
-lerci and balvi

I have found no way to convert these into one another.

mu'o mi'e la tsani


On 13 May 2012 08:42, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 6:13 AM, Jacob Errington <nictytan@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I'm afraid no one is really understanding what I'm trying to get across.
>> With my list, I'm simply saying that a lot of gismu can be "removed"
>> by virtue of the fact that they're simply an agentive version, a
>> volitional version, or an implicitly tensed version of another gismu.
>> A few can be reduced into djuno, and some can almost be eliminated
>> (ckaji), where as for agentives, lasna is just jorne+BAI, in
>> particular {gau}. Isn't that what you said was your definition of
>> synonymous, eyeonous?
>
>
> No, because we are only considering gismu, and you are talking about lujvo.
> I also said I only consider them synonyms if they can be made into each
> other using /only/ FA, SE, zi'o, and BAI.
>
> Secondly, the issue is regarding gleki's assertion that nearly 1000 of the
> current ~1300 gismu could be completely eliminated because they are synonyms
> of /other/ gismu.
>
>>
>> On 13 May 2012 01:15, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 11:01 PM, MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 12:57 AM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 9:42 PM, Jacob Errington <nictytan@gmail.com>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> > Except for arguably cilre/facki, none of those are synonyms.
>> >>>> I never said they were *synonymous*, I said that they could be
>> >>>> reduced
>> >>>> into one or an other. If one *does* use the more degenerate form,
>> >>>> then
>> >>>> there're additional implications to be handled, such as tense,
>> >>>> usually.
>> >>>> Also, I'd say that the difference between "learning" and "finding
>> >>>> out"
>> >>>> is that one requires volition.
>> >>>> I don't see things like [i mi cilre lo du'u lo mamtymamta cu co'a
>> >>>> morsi], I see things like [i mi facki lo du'u...].
>> >>>> Some synonyms:
>> >>>> mrobi'o and co'amro
>> >>>> tolyli'a and klamu'o
>> >>>> ckaji and tolcau
>> >>>> claxu and tolkai
>> >>>> binxo and co'arkai
>> >>>> cliva and klama
>> >>>> lasna and jongau
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Most of those aren't gismu, so they don't count, leaving us with only
>> >>> cliva/klama.Don't respond to something if you're addressing it.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Is this supposed to be ".. if you're NOT addressing it"?
>> >>
>> >> stevo
>> >
>> >
>> > Yes.
>> >
>> >
>> > --
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