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Clifford" X-Apple-Yahoo-Replied-Msgid: 2_0_0_48_14554914_AOndi2IAAOyLT6/3cwA6PXI38gg Subject: Re: Word changing and word creation (was Re: [lojban] bugs in jbovlaste) Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 14:36:35 -0500 To: "lojban@googlegroups.com" X-Original-Sender: kali9putra@yahoo.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 72.30.238.206 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kali9putra@yahoo.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@yahoo.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / Look up nsm on Wikipedia for a good list of available basic and applied pap= er. See my comments at LCC 1 for some problems ( but I think Wikipedia has= a more thorough list).=20 Spoon is ilo moku poki, fork is ilo moku palisa. Sent from my iPad On May 13, 2012, at 1:03 PM, gleki wrote: >>> Lojban is not -- and never was intended to be -- a philosophical langua= ge, in which everything received a appropriate name derived from a few "sem= antic primes". If gismu overlap, this is typically because natural languag= es have found it Convenient to have more than one word in that area. Lojba= n has generally followed these natural patterns (with notable exceptions, l= ike 'klama'). Probably more overall simplicity could be achieved by adding= gismu even with overlaps (most words in English can be replaced by other w= ords or short phrases in the intricate cycles of definitions). >=20 > It's always nice to see posts from really great people here ))). > Are there any drafts of what Natural Semantic Metalanguage might look lik= e? Will it be convenient to use in everyday life? > In tokipona it's extremely hard to distinguish between e.g. "spoon" and "= fork". >=20 > ta'onai I didn't mean that one gismu can be converted into another gismu = using only a handful of cmavo. > I meant what la tsani and others later presented here. > galfi fi lo jorne / jorne gasnu/jongau instead of lasna etc.=20 >=20 > --=20 > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= "lojban" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/= lojban/-/a_gLICOrpzoJ. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegr= oups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojb= an?hl=3Den. >=20 --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. 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