Received: from mail-ey0-f189.google.com ([209.85.215.189]:58004) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1STfnv-0002gF-1R; Sun, 13 May 2012 13:54:19 -0700 Received: by eaad14 with SMTP id d14sf2792778eaa.16 for ; Sun, 13 May 2012 13:54:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=9OcJHZAY99klIRonEPXcuTh8RTPSGCqtVFmlLRU/INk=; b=h5df3mn33deYz0Y5aEyKpYrarnUpLodOwRSPPK1VcsjbX42kLEt7mQ5x46cDP6qhsq KZffGjF25KYTg0EE+tEifpjU+tQ7fhcCicNhCk8TgDSBx23+79zUAWJ1XuEI3imYJKkk NmP3V+rgH1zPsXlrG0W20KAHzqrqs2s7oWmvE= Received: by 10.204.153.205 with SMTP id l13mr140553bkw.15.1336942442965; Sun, 13 May 2012 13:54:02 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.129.85 with SMTP id n21ls6807823bks.6.gmail; Sun, 13 May 2012 13:54:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.152.217 with SMTP id h25mr563975bkw.3.1336942441202; Sun, 13 May 2012 13:54:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.152.217 with SMTP id h25mr563974bkw.3.1336942441177; Sun, 13 May 2012 13:54:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lb0-f176.google.com (mail-lb0-f176.google.com [209.85.217.176]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p5si20006935bks.1.2012.05.13.13.54.01 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 13 May 2012 13:54:01 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.176 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.217.176; Received: by mail-lb0-f176.google.com with SMTP id j14so4099031lbo.21 for ; Sun, 13 May 2012 13:54:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.98.199 with SMTP id ek7mr636387lbb.58.1336942440974; Sun, 13 May 2012 13:54:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.22.68 with HTTP; Sun, 13 May 2012 13:54:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <13765994.1942.1336566814390.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@ynss9> <20120509170127.GR27762@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <27554010.67.1336587846504.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yngr14> <20120509192018.GS27762@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <524651.567.1336675068460.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbak7> <28872598.911.1336731707204.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbws2> <20120511233208.GC1837@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <7475709.243.1336804273567.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbq5> <26105036.424.1336821755715.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@ynmb39> Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 14:54:00 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Word changing and word creation (was Re: [lojban] bugs in jbovlaste) From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.176 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0401fb13478b0104bff12b16 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --f46d0401fb13478b0104bff12b16 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 8:17 AM, Jacob Errington wrote: > Are you trying to tell me that lasna isn't not jorne + gau ? > catra is morsi + gau > I'm not trying to tell you anything. > As you must definitely be aware, [gau] is a BAI. Therefore, according > to your own logic, these are synonymous. > Also, if you're allowing *BAI* to produce synonyms, how come NAhE > isn't? Because when the difference between two valsi is that one lacks one or more places found in the other, it is obviously necessary to add these places in order to convert the former to the latter: ko'a cliva ko'e ko'i = ko'a klama zi'o ko'e ko'i zi'o ko'a sexetese klama ko'e ko'i ko'o ko'u = ko'a cliva ko'i ko'u seka'a ko'e xeka'a go'u NAhE are scalars. They change the meaning of the selbri itself, rather than merely changing the place structure of the bridi. -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --f46d0401fb13478b0104bff12b16 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 8:17 AM, Jacob Errington= <nictytan@gmail.com> wrote:
Are you trying to tell me that lasna isn't not jorne + gau ?
catra is morsi + gau

I'm not trying to tell yo= u anything.
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As you must definitely be aware, [gau] is a BAI. Therefore, according
to your own logic, these are synonymous.
Also, if you're allowing *BAI* to produce synonyms, how come NAhE
isn't?
=A0
Because when the difference betwe= en two valsi is that one lacks one or more places found in the other, it is= obviously necessary to add these places in order to convert the former to = the latter:

ko'a cliva ko'e ko'i =3D ko'a klama zi'o ko'e k= o'i zi'o

ko'a sexetese klama ko'e ko'i ko'o = ko'u =3D ko'a cliva ko'i ko'u seka'a ko'e xeka'= a go'u

NAhE are scalars. They change the meaning of the selbri itself, rather = than merely changing the place structure of the bridi.

-= -
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be = denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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