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On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 8:17 AM, Jacob Errington <nictytan@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Are you trying to tell me that lasna isn't not jorne + gau ?
>> catra is morsi + gau
>>
>
> I'm not trying to tell you anything.
>
>
>> As you must definitely be aware, [gau] is a BAI. Therefore, according
>> to your own logic, these are synonymous.
>> Also, if you're allowing *BAI* to produce synonyms, how come NAhE
>> isn't?
>
>
> Because when the difference between two valsi is that one lacks one or
> more places found in the other, it is obviously necessary to add these
> places in order to convert the former to the latter:
>
> ko'a cliva ko'e ko'i = ko'a klama zi'o ko'e ko'i zi'o
>
> ko'a sexetese klama ko'e ko'i ko'o ko'u = ko'a cliva ko'i ko'u seka'a ko'e
> xeka'a ko'u
>
> NAhE are scalars. They change the meaning of the selbri itself, rather
> than merely changing the place structure of the bridi.
>
> --
> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>
> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )
>
>


-- 
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Jonatha=
n Jones <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:eyeonus@gmail.com" target=
=3D"_blank">eyeonus@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D=
"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding=
-left:1ex">
<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div class=3D"im">On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 8:17 A=
M, Jacob Errington <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:nictytan@gmail.c=
om" target=3D"_blank">nictytan@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquo=
te class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc so=
lid;padding-left:1ex">

Are you trying to tell me that lasna isn&#39;t not jorne + gau ?<br>
catra is morsi + gau<br></blockquote></div><div><br>I&#39;m not trying to t=
ell you anything.<br>=A0</div><div class=3D"im"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_=
quote" style=3D"margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,=
204);padding-left:1ex">


As you must definitely be aware, [gau] is a BAI. Therefore, according<br>
to your own logic, these are synonymous.<br>
Also, if you&#39;re allowing *BAI* to produce synonyms, how come NAhE<br>
isn&#39;t?</blockquote><div>=A0</div></div><div>Because when the difference=
 between two valsi is that one lacks one or more places found in the other,=
 it is obviously necessary to add these places in order to convert the form=
er to the latter:<br>

<br>ko&#39;a cliva ko&#39;e ko&#39;i =3D ko&#39;a klama zi&#39;o ko&#39;e k=
o&#39;i zi&#39;o<br><br>ko&#39;a sexetese klama ko&#39;e ko&#39;i ko&#39;o =
ko&#39;u =3D ko&#39;a cliva ko&#39;i ko&#39;u seka&#39;a ko&#39;e xeka&#39;=
a ko&#39;u<br>

<br>NAhE are scalars. They change the meaning of the selbri itself, rather =
than merely changing the place structure of the bridi.<br><br></div></div><=
div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5">-- <br>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e .aionys.<br=
>
<br>.i.e&#39;ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo&=
#39;o<br>
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )<br><br>
</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>mu&#39;o mi=
&#39;e .aionys.<br><br>.i.e&#39;ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.l=
uk. mi patfu do zo&#39;o<br>(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. =
:D )<br>
<br>

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