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Stevo, simple. Because of what gleki said:
>You probably will want to see the list of definitions of the rest of the gismu as combinations of the selected 340.

There're probably more than 340 semantic primitives in Lojban, but
it's highly likely that all the other more complex gismu *can* be
reduced into a much smaller set of "core" gismu. Then, in my opinion,
gismu should only be added at this point if that new concept is not
readily expressible as a combination of preexisting gismu and is a
very universal concept. If the concept is not universal, then it
should merit a zi'evla, because all skilled lojbanists should be
expected to know at least the whole gimste.

Note that I've already said all of the second part of that.

mu'o mi'e la tsani

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