Received: from mail-qa0-f56.google.com ([209.85.216.56]:62191) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1STk5Z-0004Fi-Gt; Sun, 13 May 2012 18:28:45 -0700 Received: by qauh8 with SMTP id h8sf3877020qau.1 for ; Sun, 13 May 2012 18:28:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=gTlHTGcgmuj139+NoRyTKUO+KaM4H9V68WM/e9c7Tyw=; b=V7fowAWmNbh92SrI3Uq50v2dO7Rt43AWc3oOH2sOITd8lpT2cM40Pjzg1rNOhPCOEJ TdlBgpeqI9i3cg5pQbQWgnlwTXPqpVZEAIuMsakLQQI8KjLcZsYZUlTQtcHPafBXFRMn /aZHm9qQXYpJerGFzmWN5fffr6DMt9TrHZ22M= Received: by 10.52.23.226 with SMTP id p2mr202851vdf.2.1336958914743; Sun, 13 May 2012 18:28:34 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.52.69.174 with SMTP id f14ls2901517vdu.2.gmail; Sun, 13 May 2012 18:28:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.24.68 with SMTP id s4mr3554227vdf.3.1336958914045; Sun, 13 May 2012 18:28:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.24.68 with SMTP id s4mr3554226vdf.3.1336958914035; Sun, 13 May 2012 18:28:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vb0-f42.google.com (mail-vb0-f42.google.com [209.85.212.42]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w20si6696054vde.2.2012.05.13.18.28.34 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 13 May 2012 18:28:34 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of nictytan@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.42 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.42; Received: by vbbfs19 with SMTP id fs19so4909797vbb.15 for ; Sun, 13 May 2012 18:28:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.100.67 with SMTP id ew3mr3260747vdb.36.1336958913670; Sun, 13 May 2012 18:28:33 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.75.104 with HTTP; Sun, 13 May 2012 18:28:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <13765994.1942.1336566814390.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@ynss9> <20120509170127.GR27762@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <27554010.67.1336587846504.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yngr14> <20120509192018.GS27762@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <524651.567.1336675068460.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbak7> <28872598.911.1336731707204.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbws2> <20120511233208.GC1837@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <7475709.243.1336804273567.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbq5> <26105036.424.1336821755715.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@ynmb39> From: Jacob Errington Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 21:28:13 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Word changing and word creation (was Re: [lojban] bugs in jbovlaste) To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: nictytan@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of nictytan@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.42 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=nictytan@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / I didn't know about NSM when I made my post. I was going along the lines of "basic idea", but I figure that for the language to actually be productive, there needs to be more than just 63 gismu, which is why I'm all for making new ones, if and only if it's to get at concepts that are difficult to express with a lujvo and that are universal enough to not be a zi'evla. mu'o mi'e la tsani On 13 May 2012 19:53, MorphemeAddict wrote: > > > On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 5:59 PM, Jacob Errington wrote: >> >> Stevo, simple. Because of what gleki said: >> >You probably will want to see the list of definitions of the rest of the >> > gismu as combinations of the selected 340. >> >> There're probably more than 340 semantic primitives in Lojban, > > > How do you define a semantic primitive? According to NSM, there are only > about 63 semantic primitives. > > stevo > >> >> but >> it's highly likely that all the other more complex gismu *can* be >> reduced into a much smaller set of "core" gismu. Then, in my opinion, >> gismu should only be added at this point if that new concept is not >> readily expressible as a combination of preexisting gismu and is a >> very universal concept. If the concept is not universal, then it >> should merit a zi'evla, because all skilled lojbanists should be >> expected to know at least the whole gimste. >> >> Note that I've already said all of the second part of that. >> >> mu'o mi'e la tsani >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "lojban" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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