Received: from mail-bk0-f61.google.com ([209.85.214.61]:63777) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1STrZO-0007D6-O5; Mon, 14 May 2012 02:28:04 -0700 Received: by bkcik5 with SMTP id ik5sf3133450bkc.16 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 02:27:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=tO07KA3e8987ucpZrkdlD1kYRFoSmDd48Q0krWDQgqU=; b=NYwyQiIrZ4YGfrGSudAnWrqR9K5ixe5a7rKA4NWR6H0ojG8BBAnbG9vv/TBo1o4JYX Cm4cZjy1rZhhmmU42aaKUIPYL54HQ+pPG2VWxpX77GgKMVKEa6SkDcHflorjWeYQrcpL jsxpc+mMvGeki8YBF+4vzxPDfFF7/D87OPSWY= Received: by 10.204.157.20 with SMTP id z20mr180635bkw.9.1336987670872; Mon, 14 May 2012 02:27:50 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.130.88 with SMTP id r24ls7025870bks.4.gmail; Mon, 14 May 2012 02:27:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.143.143 with SMTP id v15mr778676bku.8.1336987669655; Mon, 14 May 2012 02:27:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.143.143 with SMTP id v15mr778675bku.8.1336987669634; Mon, 14 May 2012 02:27:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f50.google.com (mail-lpp01m010-f50.google.com [209.85.215.50]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p5si22043445bks.1.2012.05.14.02.27.49 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 14 May 2012 02:27:49 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.50 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.215.50; Received: by lahm15 with SMTP id m15so3814582lah.23 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 02:27:49 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.108.178 with SMTP id hl18mr6911272lab.11.1336987669258; Mon, 14 May 2012 02:27:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.22.68 with HTTP; Mon, 14 May 2012 02:27:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <27598647.595.1336987009358.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@pbciu2> References: <7321907.260.1336829133552.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@ynz24> <20120512173520.GJ1837@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <8573463.77.1336885324334.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@pbaf5> <5683060.1568.1336888868482.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbq19> <4FB0CA6B.1070400@lojban.org> <27598647.595.1336987009358.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@pbciu2> Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 03:27:49 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Etymology of future gismu (if they are to be created) From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.50 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec54c513a18620004bffbb394 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --bcaec54c513a18620004bffbb394 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 3:16 AM, gleki wrote: > >>Remember that a word has to match at least 2 letters (and if only 2, > they must be in the right place) in order to contribute to a Lojban > recognition score. > > >>Portuguese would probably significantly reinforce Spanish, perhaps > enough to enable it to match English in weight, but otherwise would > never make any contribution. > > >>Indonesia wouldn't reinforce anything except where it uses a borrowed > word, and thus would have even less effect than Arabic. > > If Portuguese (and may be other Romanian languages) can reinforce Spanish > and Bengali can do that with Hindi then what's the problem? > And a lower recognition score is just the output of the script and nothing > more, just a number. But who knows, may be experimental gismu with lower > recognition scores can be easier to learn then gismu based on fewer source > languages? > Lower recognition means harder to learn, not easier, and you apparently missed the point, that being that any languages past the first two contribute negligibly, except in cases where their word is similar to one of those first two. -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --bcaec54c513a18620004bffbb394 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 3:16 AM, gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
>>Remember that a word has to match at least 2 lett= ers (and if only 2,
they must be in the right place) in order to contribute to a Lojban
recognition score.

>>Portuguese would probably significantly rei= nforce Spanish, perhaps
enough to enable it to match English in weight, but otherwise would
never make any contribution.

>>Indonesia wouldn't reinforce anything except where it uses a bo= rrowed
word, and thus would have even less effect than Arabic.

If Portuguese (and may be other Romanian languages) can reinforce Spa= nish
and Bengali can do that with Hindi then what's the problem?
And a lower recognition score is just the output of the script and nothing = more, just a number. But who knows, may be experimental gismu with lower re= cognition scores can be easier to learn then gismu based on fewer source la= nguages?

Lower recognition means harder to learn, not easier, = and you apparently missed the point, that being that any languages past the= first two contribute negligibly, except in cases where their word is simil= ar to one of those first two.

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