Received: from mail-qa0-f56.google.com ([209.85.216.56]:55513) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1STtFY-0007rt-AD; Mon, 14 May 2012 04:15:38 -0700 Received: by qauh8 with SMTP id h8sf4279950qau.1 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 04:15:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject :mime-version:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=io4SXqs2xcydUXDs+RwlrGXNcVGcAb+HpOPZGuZJzhE=; b=YpwPhvCWapLWoIQiM+5jUYDQTlsj8629hWvbJtgYEJ9+rtAvFVHjkEn2GmtVJtrPFW Yyy9RxCofP5RuT/btm970KpOLGWleUe+OcROU4ru/JGgPXcBb4pen8eEuC4Z4OtfvjY5 JfSTYusixcXpk59ZmKoMfEFrtCkvX3kx4x1uM= Received: by 10.52.19.110 with SMTP id d14mr236455vde.10.1336994129779; Mon, 14 May 2012 04:15:29 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.52.69.174 with SMTP id f14ls2973555vdu.2.gmail; Mon, 14 May 2012 04:15:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.69.48 with SMTP id b16mr225782vdu.13.1336994129092; Mon, 14 May 2012 04:15:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 04:15:28 -0700 (PDT) From: gleki To: lojban@googlegroups.com Message-ID: <29301218.3163.1336994128473.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@ynlq12> In-Reply-To: References: <7321907.260.1336829133552.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@ynz24> <20120512173520.GJ1837@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <8573463.77.1336885324334.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@pbaf5> <5683060.1568.1336888868482.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbq19> <4FB0CA6B.1070400@lojban.org> <27598647.595.1336987009358.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@pbciu2> Subject: Re: [lojban] Etymology of future gismu (if they are to be created) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: ls.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates internal as permitted sender) smtp.mail=gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_3162_29673068.1336994128471" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / ------=_Part_3162_29673068.1336994128471 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 je'e ki'esai anyway it would be nice to prove this theory in practice. and I'm ready to do that if it comes to choosing new gismu. On Monday, May 14, 2012 1:27:49 PM UTC+4, aionys wrote: > > On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 3:16 AM, gleki wrote: > >> >>Remember that a word has to match at least 2 letters (and if only 2, >> they must be in the right place) in order to contribute to a Lojban >> recognition score. >> >> >>Portuguese would probably significantly reinforce Spanish, perhaps >> enough to enable it to match English in weight, but otherwise would >> never make any contribution. >> >> >>Indonesia wouldn't reinforce anything except where it uses a borrowed >> word, and thus would have even less effect than Arabic. >> >> If Portuguese (and may be other Romanian languages) can reinforce Spanish >> and Bengali can do that with Hindi then what's the problem? >> And a lower recognition score is just the output of the script and >> nothing more, just a number. But who knows, may be experimental gismu with >> lower recognition scores can be easier to learn then gismu based on fewer >> source languages? >> > > Lower recognition means harder to learn, not easier, and you apparently > missed the point, that being that any languages past the first two > contribute negligibly, except in cases where their word is similar to one > of those first two. > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o > (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/-/unDUc--jvUcJ. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. ------=_Part_3162_29673068.1336994128471 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable je'e
ki'esai
anyway it would be nice to prove this theory in = practice.
and I'm ready to do that if it comes to choosing new gi= smu.

On Monday, May 14, 2012 1:27:49 PM UTC+4, aionys wrote:
On Mon, May= 14, 2012 at 3:16 AM, gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
>>Remember that a word has to match at least 2 letters (and if o= nly 2,
they must be in the right place) in order to contribute to a Lojban
recognition score.

>>Portuguese would probably significantly reinforce Spanis= h, perhaps
enough to enable it to match English in weight, but otherwise would
never make any contribution.

>>Indonesia wouldn't reinforce anything except where it uses a borrow= ed
word, and thus would have even less effect than Arabic.

If Portuguese (and may be other Romanian languages) can reinforce Spa= nish
and Bengali can do that with Hindi then what's the problem?
And a lower recognition score is just the output of the script and nothing = more, just a number. But who knows, may be experimental gismu with lower re= cognition scores can be easier to learn then gismu based on fewer source la= nguages?

Lower recognition means harder to learn, not easier, = and you apparently missed the point, that being that any languages past the= first two contribute negligibly, except in cases where their word is simil= ar to one of those first two.

--
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo piln= o be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, = I am your father. :D )

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