Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f61.google.com ([209.85.215.61]:59306) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1STtg9-00081V-EW; Mon, 14 May 2012 04:43:16 -0700 Received: by laai10 with SMTP id i10sf2432181laa.16 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 04:42:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=Lp4Y2P2mc4IWrUY3xla1TYr0/+t4dIZ0jRnDqOpPTNs=; b=rKGEvHU8NO7rutofU7Zrh0/Fs5pBCGTDuixwaibG29xex2E6a45ORVdvtnbd9hbtIT 5GbcpN3NRLFZbLW16RL4DQgqM/8SGXVM37T7pcafEGz9y/bV7L+htDXvWIG/kVjQgP/p 4XD23vfz1MoGZUpQhO1bAC3uzRjd11QnW8Pso= Received: by 10.204.157.20 with SMTP id z20mr186597bkw.9.1336995776606; Mon, 14 May 2012 04:42:56 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.5.133 with SMTP id 5ls7025745bkv.0.gmail; Mon, 14 May 2012 04:42:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.143.143 with SMTP id v15mr836821bku.8.1336995774698; Mon, 14 May 2012 04:42:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.143.143 with SMTP id v15mr836820bku.8.1336995774670; Mon, 14 May 2012 04:42:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f50.google.com (mail-lpp01m010-f50.google.com [209.85.215.50]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p5si22414152bks.1.2012.05.14.04.42.54 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 14 May 2012 04:42:54 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.50 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.215.50; Received: by lahm15 with SMTP id m15so3203322lah.9 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 04:42:54 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.144.168 with SMTP id sn8mr4454253lab.1.1336995774191; Mon, 14 May 2012 04:42:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.22.68 with HTTP; Mon, 14 May 2012 04:42:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4FB0DAEF.4080802@gmx.de> Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 05:42:54 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] "almost" From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.50 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f2346872fd64104bffd969d X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --e89a8f2346872fd64104bffd969d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 4:55 AM, Jacob Errington wrote: > Hmmm, interesting ideas. > I had tried to make a lujvo for mistake-write, but it couldn't be too > clear whether the x2 was the word that was supposed to be written, or > the word that was written instead. Something like [sreci'a]. > > >pu'o jenai ca'a > That's pretty clever, but I have a small problem about the future in > Lojban. Assuming everything one says is true in Lojban, then claims > about the future must be true, which can be pretty difficult to do > because -- well -- the future is unknown. > Things don't /have/ to be truth. I don't know where that misconception comes from. It is not a requirement that everything one says in Lojban be completely true or factual. mi ninmu Oh wait, no I'm not. > Due to the unpredictable nature of the future (compared to the past > which is a collection of true or false or in between statements) maybe > all statements involving a future tense are somewhat already tensed > with a "in one or more worlds, possibly excluding this one" i.e. > [ka'e] under my interpretation of CAhA. Hm, I wonder if one of the > other CAhA has the interpretation "in one or more worlds, strictly > excluding this one" (where "this one" is "the world of dei"). Maybe > {nu'o}? > > [i puku mi pu'onu'o jenai ca'a ciska ba'igi zo lo gi zoi fy un fy] > > mu'o mi'e la tsani > > On 14 May 2012 06:14, selpa'i wrote: > > Am 14.05.2012 04:48, schrieb Jacob Errington: > > > >> coi rodo > >> > >> In #lojban today, I felt like saying "I almost wrote 'lo' instead of > >> 'un' in a French paper I'm writing." I can't figure out how I'd get at > >> that meaning of "almost." > >> > >> Any help? > > > > > > .i mi na ru'e ciska zo lo [.e nai / se ba'i] zoi fy. un .fy > > > > mu'o mi'e la selpa'i > > > > -- > > .i da xamgu ganse fi no na'ebo lo risna > > .i lo vajrai cu nonselji'u lo kanla > > > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "lojban" group. > > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group at > > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! 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On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 4:55 AM, Jacob Errington= <nictytan@gmail.com> wrote:
Hmmm, interesting ideas.
I had tried to make a lujvo for mistake-write, but it couldn't be too clear whether the x2 was the word that was supposed to be written, or
the word that was written instead. Something like [sreci'a].

>pu'o jenai ca'a
That's pretty clever, but I have a small problem about the future= in
Lojban. Assuming everything one says is true in Lojban, then claims
about the future must be true, which can be pretty difficult to do
because -- well -- the future is unknown.

Things d= on't /have/ to be truth. I don't know where that misconception come= s from. It is not a requirement that everything one says in Lojban be compl= etely true or factual.

mi ninmu

Oh wait, no I'm not.
=A0
Due to the unpredictable nature of the future (compared to the past
which is a collection of true or false or in between statements) maybe
all statements involving a future tense are somewhat already tensed
with a "in one or more worlds, possibly excluding this one" i.e.<= br> [ka'e] under my interpretation of CAhA. Hm, I wonder if one of the
other CAhA has the interpretation "in one or more worlds, strictly
excluding this one" (where "this one" is "the world of = dei"). Maybe
{nu'o}?

[i puku mi pu'onu'o jenai ca'a ciska ba'igi zo lo gi zoi fy= un fy]

mu'o mi'e la tsani

On 14 May 2012 06:14, selpa'i <sel= adwa@gmx.de> wrote:
> Am 14.05.2012 04:48, schrieb Jacob Errington:
>
>> coi rodo
>>
>> In #lojban today, I felt like saying "I almost wrote 'lo&= #39; instead of
>> 'un' in a French paper I'm writing." I can't = figure out how I'd get at
>> that meaning of "almost."
>>
>> Any help?
>
>
> .i mi na ru'e ciska zo lo [.e nai / se ba'i] zoi fy. un .fy >
> mu'o mi'e la selpa'i
>
> --
> .i da xamgu ganse fi no na'ebo lo risna
> .i lo vajrai cu nonselji'u lo kanla
>
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