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Another cool thing that you get with lojban is semantically dense "words".
 Because you can directly reference the words within another words
definition.  So for instance,
bancu's definition is: x1 exceeds/is beyond limit/boundary x2 from x3 in
property/amount x4

So in lojban {lo velbancu} is "the property or amount by which a thing
exceeds a limit".

Or, a more realistic example.  {lo ve klama} would technically be
translated as "a/the route by which something comes/goes to a destination
from an origin".  In practice it would just be glossed as "a route", but
there's so much nuance built in that you get for free.

On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 11:35 AM, Jacob Errington <nictytan@gmail.com>wrote:

> > ta nelci lo ta gerku
> >
> > vs.
> >
> > S/he likes his/her dog.
>
> That doesn't quite mean that but yes, the demonstratives can refer to
> things or people.
>
> It actually means "what I'm pointing at like the dog of what I'm
> pointing at" but those pointed-at things don't need to refer to the
> same thing. Using [ri] would solve that problem.
>
> >Could someone tell me what Lojban can do that English cannot and show an
> example so it's easy for me to understand?
>
> Well, Lojban is simply more precise, sometimes, however, at the cost
> of being more wordy, but it does let you say some pretty interesting
> things with much fewer words. [ju] et al. come to mind right away: {lo
> palci seju nanmu} "a/the man who is a man, whether or not he is evil",
> {lo gendra ju smudra}, "the grammatically correct thing whether or not
> means the right thing".
>
> Tenses combined with logical connectives can produce interesting
> results too: [do obabo mi citka lo plise] "If I eat an apple later,
> then you eat an apple now, and if you eat an apple now, then I eat an
> apple later.
>
> lujvo, too, are a pretty interesting concept: they are compounds
> defined by preset affixes assigned to certain root words or grammar
> words. Properly formed, non-metaphorical ones can be almost perfectly
> understood even if one has never encountered the word before. For
> example, we can decompose the lujvo {lekri'ami'i} into the root words
> {lenku rinka minji} which is a phrase compound that almost certainly
> means {minji lo ka rinka lo nu lenku} "machine of which the purpose is
> to physically cause [something] being/becoming cold", so "fridge" or
> "air conditioning".
>
> mu'o mi'e la tsani
>
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Another cool thing that you get with lojban is semantically dense &quot;wor=
ds&quot;. =A0Because you can directly reference the words within another wo=
rds definition. =A0So for instance,=A0<div>bancu&#39;s definition is: x1 ex=
ceeds/is beyond limit/boundary x2 from x3 in property/amount x4</div>

<div><br></div><div>So in lojban {lo velbancu} is &quot;the property or amo=
unt by which a thing exceeds a limit&quot;.</div><div><br></div><div>Or, a =
more realistic example. =A0{lo ve klama} would technically be translated as=
 &quot;a/the route by which something comes/goes to a destination from an o=
rigin&quot;. =A0In practice it would just be glossed as &quot;a route&quot;=
, but there&#39;s so much nuance built in that you get for free.<br>

<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 11:35 AM, Jacob Erri=
ngton <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:nictytan@gmail.com" target=3D=
"_blank">nictytan@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"g=
mail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-l=
eft:1ex">

<div class=3D"im">&gt; ta nelci lo ta gerku<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; vs.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; S/he likes his/her dog.<br>
<br>
</div>That doesn&#39;t quite mean that but yes, the demonstratives can refe=
r to<br>
things or people.<br>
<br>
It actually means &quot;what I&#39;m pointing at like the dog of what I&#39=
;m<br>
pointing at&quot; but those pointed-at things don&#39;t need to refer to th=
e<br>
same thing. Using [ri] would solve that problem.<br>
<div class=3D"im"><br>
&gt;Could someone tell me what Lojban can do that English cannot and show a=
n example so it&#39;s easy for me to understand?<br>
<br>
</div>Well, Lojban is simply more precise, sometimes, however, at the cost<=
br>
of being more wordy, but it does let you say some pretty interesting<br>
things with much fewer words. [ju] et al. come to mind right away: {lo<br>
palci seju nanmu} &quot;a/the man who is a man, whether or not he is evil&q=
uot;,<br>
{lo gendra ju smudra}, &quot;the grammatically correct thing whether or not=
<br>
means the right thing&quot;.<br>
<br>
Tenses combined with logical connectives can produce interesting<br>
results too: [do obabo mi citka lo plise] &quot;If I eat an apple later,<br=
>
then you eat an apple now, and if you eat an apple now, then I eat an<br>
apple later.<br>
<br>
lujvo, too, are a pretty interesting concept: they are compounds<br>
defined by preset affixes assigned to certain root words or grammar<br>
words. Properly formed, non-metaphorical ones can be almost perfectly<br>
understood even if one has never encountered the word before. For<br>
example, we can decompose the lujvo {lekri&#39;ami&#39;i} into the root wor=
ds<br>
{lenku rinka minji} which is a phrase compound that almost certainly<br>
means {minji lo ka rinka lo nu lenku} &quot;machine of which the purpose is=
<br>
to physically cause [something] being/becoming cold&quot;, so &quot;fridge&=
quot; or<br>
&quot;air conditioning&quot;.<br>
<br>
mu&#39;o mi&#39;e la tsani<br>
<div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br>
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