Received: from mail-qc0-f189.google.com ([209.85.216.189]:52941) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SYWV0-0006bJ-NT; Sat, 26 May 2012 22:58:50 -0700 Received: by qcsq5 with SMTP id q5sf2453361qcs.16 for ; Sat, 26 May 2012 22:58:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id :mail-followup-to:references:mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-disposition; bh=4p0pOSJ4dvPjrrqoaJmuxdc/VracoIviAPuBJugC+HA=; b=eaVq8e8O7wGqnHoJ3qe8aPkQdOcC9RddBgqdpQSRv9xADxJnpRcj46Y7p75V2hP5pW suqEYfwMnK4g/o9VyQ9SxNbqis2fxNc3L++8m8rBJiJ5lhqmF8SQqVlEyuKhls9JdD47 lRwqLNGdcsqnSbJ6pEVEduJHLf8nV27ToebFU= Received: by 10.68.129.194 with SMTP id ny2mr633495pbb.17.1338098315787; Sat, 26 May 2012 22:58:35 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.68.240.165 with SMTP id wb5ls7630016pbc.1.gmail; Sat, 26 May 2012 22:58:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.241.7 with SMTP id we7mr3662779pbc.4.1338098315374; Sat, 26 May 2012 22:58:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.241.7 with SMTP id we7mr3662778pbc.4.1338098315357; Sat, 26 May 2012 22:58:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stodi.digitalkingdom.org (mail.digitalkingdom.org. [173.13.139.236]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id iq5si18300722pbc.1.2012.05.26.22.58.35 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 26 May 2012 22:58:35 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.236 as permitted sender) client-ip=173.13.139.236; Received: from rlpowell by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SYWUs-0006bE-Eb for lojban@googlegroups.com; Sat, 26 May 2012 22:58:34 -0700 Date: Sat, 26 May 2012 22:58:34 -0700 From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Baby Words: Effort. Message-ID: <20120527055834.GD3745@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban@googlegroups.com References: <20120504185220.GJ13003@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <20120504205407.GJ21758@nvg.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20120504205407.GJ21758@nvg.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Original-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.236 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / On Fri, May 04, 2012 at 10:54:07PM +0200, Arnt Richard Johansen wrote: > On Fri, May 04, 2012 at 11:52:20AM -0700, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > > > I'm at something of a loss to express happiness at my babies putting > > out a real effort at something. That's A Big Deal, because the > > latest research indicates that praising effort (rather than innate > > ability or accomplishment) is one of the best ways to raise happy > > adults. > > > > I've been doing stuff like {.i do nandu troci .io sai}, but it's > > pretty unsatisfying. Ideas? > > For effort as exertion (what I think you want): > camtoi > c1 effortfully tries to do t2 by method t3, as perceived by c3. > > tolsurla > s1 expends effort/is actively/effortfully involved in doing/being s2 (activity) Lovely! Thank you. -Robin -- http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. .i ko na cpedu lo nu stidi vau loi jbopre .i danfu lu na go'i li'u .e lu go'i li'u .i ji'a go'i lu na'e go'i li'u .e lu go'i na'i li'u .e lu no'e go'i li'u .e lu to'e go'i li'u .e lu lo mamta be do cu sofybakni li'u -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.