Received: from mail-pb0-f61.google.com ([209.85.160.61]:60423) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SZq6M-00030N-5q; Wed, 30 May 2012 14:06:48 -0700 Received: by pbbro2 with SMTP id ro2sf363017pbb.16 for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 14:06:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id :mail-followup-to:mime-version:user-agent:sender:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; bh=ub+j5UkNphu12x22yu3NpKsYSANODRIs+3yGDmsrDfY=; b=H9poeqA6PfrKwvvu0T3SeOSU6a+cNC3hf5xqoqjjcnipi496rynywNnWr91Aa4EDPh iij17H79+JASGVgnpnbG/ZMx+o3PIssMrbY9bfeRHqJWXmPeg9A2P9U1+y5wEnkrFeZv D45PeccpGpMFufGJ1IN8B+f8OmhGvkkOzqYOI= Received: by 10.68.228.166 with SMTP id sj6mr1160206pbc.14.1338411996096; Wed, 30 May 2012 14:06:36 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.68.223.72 with SMTP id qs8ls1906492pbc.6.gmail; Wed, 30 May 2012 14:06:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.219.170 with SMTP id pp10mr4080421pbc.1.1338411995296; Wed, 30 May 2012 14:06:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.219.170 with SMTP id pp10mr4080419pbc.1.1338411995287; Wed, 30 May 2012 14:06:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stodi.digitalkingdom.org (mail.digitalkingdom.org. [173.13.139.236]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ve7si2174010pbc.2.2012.05.30.14.06.35 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 30 May 2012 14:06:35 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of nobody@stodi.digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.236 as permitted sender) client-ip=173.13.139.236; Received: from nobody by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SZq6E-00030K-5Y for lojban@googlegroups.com; Wed, 30 May 2012 14:06:34 -0700 Received: from rlpowell by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SZq6D-00030D-Ht for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 30 May 2012 14:06:33 -0700 Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 14:06:33 -0700 From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Historian: what's up with directional words? Message-ID: <20120530210633.GD25777@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-list@lojban.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of nobody@stodi.digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.236 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=nobody@stodi.digitalkingdom.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / The direction words (pritu, zunle, trixe, etc) are phrased very strangely: zunle = x1 is to the left/left-hand side of x2 which faces/in-frame-of-reference x3. What does "which faces" mean? It seems to imply that x2 must have a natural facing/front, which is bad. Why do we even care about facing in this contexnt? {mlana} additionally bothers me because you can't say *which* side something is on with {mlana}, and additionally discussing facing seems even more bizarre, but at least it gets its own place: x1 is to the side of/lateral to x2 and facing x3 from point of view/in-frame-of-reference x4 which is an improvement. Just wondering what the plan was here. -Robin -- http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. .i ko na cpedu lo nu stidi vau loi jbopre .i danfu lu na go'i li'u .e lu go'i li'u .i ji'a go'i lu na'e go'i li'u .e lu go'i na'i li'u .e lu no'e go'i li'u .e lu to'e go'i li'u .e lu lo mamta be do cu sofybakni li'u -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.