Received: from mail-vb0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]:58522) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SaGD0-0003q0-EM; Thu, 31 May 2012 17:59:29 -0700 Received: by vbzb23 with SMTP id b23sf1335311vbz.16 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 17:59:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id :mail-followup-to:mime-version:user-agent:sender:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; bh=GH++6FEBWQbdGHscO+aGffSb+4Z5vHz2W1jUIpoeL4E=; b=crxHM52eb4Kym6stG/BMO44QwmoDoR/Wg235+8OzhYJPyrMWq3w9uQ1tlNhhhpiY0v emz5CDR7l7rbMUEh5XHZ68x0Xqr9Kb26k4vbE9oXpnE2SD2vamTwHn/8qTE+bIwFJb/+ Xoj+oC45ni4YDIvJ2h/BWHEJd6fzl3h5PtKr8= Received: by 10.68.242.227 with SMTP id wt3mr493735pbc.14.1338512350105; Thu, 31 May 2012 17:59:10 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.68.131.35 with SMTP id oj3ls5723961pbb.2.gmail; Thu, 31 May 2012 17:59:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.201.132 with SMTP id ka4mr1566578pbc.8.1338512349568; Thu, 31 May 2012 17:59:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.201.132 with SMTP id ka4mr1566576pbc.8.1338512349557; Thu, 31 May 2012 17:59:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stodi.digitalkingdom.org (mail.digitalkingdom.org. [173.13.139.236]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id iq5si989550pbc.1.2012.05.31.17.59.06 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 31 May 2012 17:59:06 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: temperror (google.com: error in processing during lookup of nobody@stodi.digitalkingdom.org: DNS timeout) client-ip=173.13.139.236; Received: from nobody by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SaGCl-0003pw-FY for lojban@googlegroups.com; Thu, 31 May 2012 17:59:03 -0700 Received: from rlpowell by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SaGCk-0003pp-Sj for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 31 May 2012 17:59:03 -0700 Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 17:59:02 -0700 From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Directional facing (xorxes, please read). Message-ID: <20120601005902.GE8656@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-list@lojban.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=temperror (google.com: error in processing during lookup of nobody@stodi.digitalkingdom.org: DNS timeout) smtp.mail=nobody@stodi.digitalkingdom.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / So I'm noticing that it's really hard to say "I'm facing north", and I'd like some brainstorming. Further notes below after I ask xorxes a question about his solution. xorxes: you did http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/selfa'a , which I do not grok at all. {le berti cu farna le plise mi} means "the apple is to my north", not "the apple is oriented towards the north", as your {selfa'a} would seem to indicate. Was it your intent that {farna} and {selfa'a} be semantically distinct? If not, can you explain your interpretation in terms of {farna}? brainstorming: To start off the brainstorming, I'll suggest a place structure: x1 is pointing/oriented towards x2 as judged by using part x3 ; x3 is the x2 most part of x1 i.e. {mi broda le berti le flira} for "I am facing north", but {mi broda le berti le jamfu} for "my feet are pointing north"; obviously x3 would usually be zo'e If this isn't decomposable from current gismu (i.e. if there's not an obvious lujvo), this seems worth a gismu to me. -Robin -- http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. .i ko na cpedu lo nu stidi vau loi jbopre .i danfu lu na go'i li'u .e lu go'i li'u .i ji'a go'i lu na'e go'i li'u .e lu go'i na'i li'u .e lu no'e go'i li'u .e lu to'e go'i li'u .e lu lo mamta be do cu sofybakni li'u -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.