Received: from mail-yx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.213.189]:44458) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SaUDR-0003IG-Ro; Fri, 01 Jun 2012 08:56:50 -0700 Received: by yenl13 with SMTP id l13sf2004706yen.16 for ; Fri, 01 Jun 2012 08:56:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id :mail-followup-to:references:mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-disposition:content-transfer-encoding; bh=bW13FrAKoDSv8vUIFTv/YXvGZK8BTES5eIgKvPz0jD8=; b=G/lsHw1zoO0KEi9uFOLk+wnX1ie/oxWA1Ticx/6A1y5hBw4K/UiiFXVVLgrnO273DT 9PBKyeWRtM2ci7yzTkiG0EBri6R1MSIf7xc+kL8TPqayFWx8ZIQiIuvQqpD3PjrEH3jQ E0xhwC834w7vYSWrpTjijnokEa6e7RgD9F0ZM= Received: by 10.68.233.166 with SMTP id tx6mr879494pbc.12.1338566195054; Fri, 01 Jun 2012 08:56:35 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.68.240.165 with SMTP id wb5ls7610002pbc.1.gmail; Fri, 01 Jun 2012 08:56:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.191.225 with SMTP id hb1mr3490571pbc.5.1338566194650; Fri, 01 Jun 2012 08:56:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.191.225 with SMTP id hb1mr3490569pbc.5.1338566194640; Fri, 01 Jun 2012 08:56:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stodi.digitalkingdom.org (mail.digitalkingdom.org. [173.13.139.236]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id gi6si3745771pbc.0.2012.06.01.08.56.34 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 01 Jun 2012 08:56:34 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.236 as permitted sender) client-ip=173.13.139.236; Received: from rlpowell by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SaUDJ-0003ID-H6 for lojban@googlegroups.com; Fri, 01 Jun 2012 08:56:33 -0700 Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 08:56:33 -0700 From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Directional facing (xorxes, please read). Message-ID: <20120601155633.GL8656@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban@googlegroups.com References: <20120601005902.GE8656@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <20120601080026.GJ8656@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <4FC8C21D.5050901@gmx.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4FC8C21D.5050901@gmx.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Original-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.236 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / On Fri, Jun 01, 2012 at 03:22:37PM +0200, selpa'i wrote: > Am 01.06.2012 14:00, schrieb Jorge Llamb=EDas: > >On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 5:00 AM, Robin Lee Powell > > wrote: > >>On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 11:03:22PM -0300, Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: > >>>I take "farna" to be about orientation, not about location. > >>On what basis? > >It's what makes the most sense. >=20 > Agreed. >=20 > >>>There is "ragve" for the relative locations of three objects in > >>>line. > >>That's a reason to *wish* farna was about orientation, but I see no > >>evidence that it actually *is* about orientation. > >I can give you lots of usage as evidence, but maybe it would be mostly f= rom me. > > > >I also take "fa'a" to be about orientation and not about location, BTW. >=20 > Exactly. fa'a indicates the orientation of the main event. And since > fa'a is fi'o farna, farna also must be about orientation. I use fa'a > exclusively for orientation. *whimper* Sorry, I agree about fa'a; I'm just so tired of seeing contradictory / ambigiuous stuff around here that needs resolving. -Robin --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.