Received: from mail-yx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.213.189]:58165) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SabCg-0006Rm-Ho; Fri, 01 Jun 2012 16:24:36 -0700 Received: by yenl13 with SMTP id l13sf2391927yen.16 for ; Fri, 01 Jun 2012 16:24:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id :mail-followup-to:references:mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-disposition; bh=hPkHzi6+Kdher+oOWKq6gV0i21g16IewNp1rpzROMMk=; b=KqKOC/PQnsoa0v9VFk5uUeiqUTMYB1rwQrW1WPAX11zd9QHleTZe+fwxRsCEruAHVx +kU3QZYXc3rxwzLbg3qpoGGb5XUcXW/yKyVhtrHjgeBoNv4hbdyIIoh6H21UWtMuNqyc hfhQlAp5Q2p4F6VXZgf5PA0ydAM8yvb8BVAT0= Received: by 10.68.239.138 with SMTP id vs10mr739094pbc.19.1338593055414; Fri, 01 Jun 2012 16:24:15 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.68.132.136 with SMTP id ou8ls8831084pbb.9.gmail; Fri, 01 Jun 2012 16:24:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.201.132 with SMTP id ka4mr4485364pbc.8.1338593054538; Fri, 01 Jun 2012 16:24:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.201.132 with SMTP id ka4mr4485363pbc.8.1338593054530; Fri, 01 Jun 2012 16:24:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stodi.digitalkingdom.org (mail.digitalkingdom.org. [173.13.139.236]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id iq5si5119367pbc.1.2012.06.01.16.24.14 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 01 Jun 2012 16:24:14 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.236 as permitted sender) client-ip=173.13.139.236; Received: from rlpowell by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SabCX-0006Rh-F2 for lojban@googlegroups.com; Fri, 01 Jun 2012 16:24:13 -0700 Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 16:24:13 -0700 From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Directional facing (xorxes, please read). Message-ID: <20120601232413.GO8656@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban@googlegroups.com References: <20120601005902.GE8656@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <4FC8C21D.5050901@gmx.de> <201206011710.33797.phma@phma.optus.nu> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <201206011710.33797.phma@phma.optus.nu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Original-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.236 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / On Fri, Jun 01, 2012 at 05:10:32PM -0400, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Friday 01 June 2012 09:22:37 selpa'i wrote: > > Exactly. fa'a indicates the orientation of the main event. And > > since fa'a is fi'o farna, farna also must be about orientation. > > I use fa'a exclusively for orientation. > > "fa'a" is a tense word, not a proper preposition. It's not > equivalent to "fi'o farna". You can't say "le malsi cu zvati se > fa'a la makat." Sure, but there's a strong correspondence between tenses and particular brivla, throughout the language. And the gismu definition itself is hardly unambiguous. -Robin -- http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. .i ko na cpedu lo nu stidi vau loi jbopre .i danfu lu na go'i li'u .e lu go'i li'u .i ji'a go'i lu na'e go'i li'u .e lu go'i na'i li'u .e lu no'e go'i li'u .e lu to'e go'i li'u .e lu lo mamta be do cu sofybakni li'u -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.