Received: from mail-pb0-f61.google.com ([209.85.160.61]:59639) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Satoy-0004O4-Sq; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 12:17:16 -0700 Received: by pbbro2 with SMTP id ro2sf3074086pbb.16 for ; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 12:17:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=p/CwU3glly0TR2v16RQgIEpwIzJ0Qmkr/nTydnMIdqc=; b=Sk3X8aycuc4/M0bDMHmxfs5b5miiDJX98SLBe5LXovCfF/Hxh4UHk+J0Zl2u+v9Wzb L/gshUQglRggfmXmF8GBWLAU+q1ioVw7qipRK3Dre7BdAWiUd+8NEHXYy9lAPm02+3gm 1mFVmGd5ETMdS4r1IkvSwMAZQOcyBLt+8MH04= Received: by 10.50.11.230 with SMTP id t6mr663682igb.6.1338632931663; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 03:28:51 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.56.204 with SMTP id c12ls1410500igq.2.canary; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 03:28:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.40.230 with SMTP id a6mr3239420igl.2.1338632930674; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 03:28:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.40.230 with SMTP id a6mr3239419igl.2.1338632930658; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 03:28:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ob0-f173.google.com (mail-ob0-f173.google.com [209.85.214.173]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k13si417083igc.1.2012.06.02.03.28.50 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 02 Jun 2012 03:28:50 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of paskios@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.173 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.173; Received: by mail-ob0-f173.google.com with SMTP id wd20so5738111obb.18 for ; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 03:28:50 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.60.1.202 with SMTP id 10mr5935007oeo.15.1338632930459; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 03:28:50 -0700 (PDT) Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.182.46.36 with HTTP; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 03:28:50 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <201206011710.33797.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <20120601005902.GE8656@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <4FC8C21D.5050901@gmx.de> <201206011710.33797.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 11:28:50 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Directional facing (xorxes, please read). From: tijlan To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: paskios@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of paskios@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.173 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=paskios@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / On 1 June 2012 22:10, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Friday 01 June 2012 09:22:37 selpa'i wrote: >> Exactly. fa'a indicates the orientation of the main event. And since >> fa'a is fi'o farna, farna also must be about orientation. I use fa'a >> exclusively for orientation. > > "fa'a" is a tense word, not a proper preposition. It's not equivalent to "fi'o > farna". You can't say "le malsi cu zvati se fa'a la makat." For me, FAhA and BAI are both prepositions, things you can put (-position) before (pre-) another constituent to combine with it. Also I don't think BAI can be entirely excluded from "tense words": "fa'e", "di'o"... don't seem less tense-ish than "fa'a", "pa'o"... . Many FAhA use the x2 of some brivla, for which BAI require "se". One apparent reason for having such a preposition class in addition to BAI is so that we don't have to repeat "se" for certain directional expressions. mu'o -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.