Received: from mail-yw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.213.61]:56967) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Sb6sv-0002FT-PX; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 02:14:11 -0700 Received: by yhq56 with SMTP id 56sf3358940yhq.16 for ; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 02:13:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=bxJA+quz7LP/eWI+YqDB2TBXrW1dfsYEBIvgD+71DNA=; b=1R/bt/OyH9pOhYKjiSVgbGRkW0WeeQDvuRopr0wI8tJFC7QgmVhzzJTPK7ilFPeACs 5uQTE1wE1X69O/9JczoEnInJUsQt46YJ87jPQTREmHM8qm9lADIowEjKjB9eeLGYE0Iq fdFbuEQV1JW9AisCZf/osjFHg4gwlZhONX73A= Received: by 10.50.242.7 with SMTP id wm7mr905413igc.3.1338714839062; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 02:13:59 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.24.75 with SMTP id u11ls3242691ibb.1.gmail; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 02:13:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.179.66 with SMTP id de2mr156928igc.4.1338714837546; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 02:13:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.179.66 with SMTP id de2mr156927igc.4.1338714837535; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 02:13:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ob0-f175.google.com (mail-ob0-f175.google.com [209.85.214.175]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k13si1181996igc.1.2012.06.03.02.13.57 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 03 Jun 2012 02:13:57 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of paskios@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.175 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.175; Received: by mail-ob0-f175.google.com with SMTP id x4so6123541obh.20 for ; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 02:13:57 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.43.130.132 with SMTP id hm4mr866540icc.53.1338714837287; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 02:13:57 -0700 (PDT) Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.184.66 with HTTP; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 02:13:57 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <201206022215.57629.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <20120601005902.GE8656@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <201206011710.33797.phma@phma.optus.nu> <201206022215.57629.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 10:13:57 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Directional facing (xorxes, please read). From: tijlan To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: paskios@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of paskios@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.175 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=paskios@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / On 3 June 2012 03:15, Pierre Abbat wrote: > Tense markers, of which there are several selma'o, can be used as prepositions, but cannot be converted with SE as BAI can. To the extent that FAhA etc. can control at least one sumti, the notion of valency seems as much applicable to them as to BAI. "fa'a" (FAhA) is one-valence, and "fa'e" (BAI) is two-valence. "se" likely wouldn't make sense with a one-valence word, but the combination could well be grammatical -- "prenu" is one-valence, without a predefined second argument place, but "se prenu" is grammatical, syntactically valid. mu'o -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.