Received: from mail-yw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.213.61]:58819) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SbBvp-0004D1-70; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 07:37:37 -0700 Received: by yhq56 with SMTP id 56sf3532873yhq.16 for ; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 07:37:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=kphQMa8dCZ+Zkm27WdwGsXnqQ0kXrP84GOcxNa4Akcw=; b=0EM3gW8JflrEPcli36coQiwQ5A9b+qLQu49epWBNgf2kTQcvdovNVkJGRBvaLpC+Mg iB0an4uIsk4Dqm+rdD5eNZ+DmCbXPc24yaLDkCNy2AFBKJYTKE673Yy8pMGMLREHtkqm Bd/9/Igf3l+0cHVqTWFsLd6nRqOEIBbWlIabQ= Received: by 10.50.77.234 with SMTP id v10mr979595igw.2.1338734238887; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 07:37:18 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.42.165 with SMTP id p5ls1984758igl.1.canary; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 07:37:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.189.195 with SMTP id gk3mr5573579igc.1.1338734237414; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 07:37:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.189.195 with SMTP id gk3mr5573578igc.1.1338734237405; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 07:37:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ob0-f175.google.com (mail-ob0-f175.google.com [209.85.214.175]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id cv4si1360755igc.0.2012.06.03.07.37.17 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 03 Jun 2012 07:37:17 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of paskios@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.175 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.175; Received: by obhx4 with SMTP id x4so7051818obh.34 for ; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 07:37:17 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.113.97 with SMTP id ix1mr7720287obb.79.1338734237111; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 07:37:17 -0700 (PDT) Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.182.46.36 with HTTP; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 07:37:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20120601005902.GE8656@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <201206011710.33797.phma@phma.optus.nu> <201206022215.57629.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 15:37:17 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Directional facing (xorxes, please read). From: tijlan To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: paskios@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of paskios@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.175 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=paskios@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / On 3 June 2012 10:50, Jonathan Jones wrote: > It's not a question of whether it would make sense. It can't be done. FAhA cmavo grammatically can not be converted. I would assume for the same reason the PU can not be converted, as both are tenses. Should such a restriction be formally prescribed? I don't see a need to have special syntax for FAhA etc. separately from BAI. It seems to unnecessarily complicate the grammar. FAhA, PU... these are all units of tag. If the grammar needs to explicitly forbid certain tags such as "se fa'a" for the lack of a corresponding sumti place (which is a better justification than "for they are 'tenses'"), it should also forbid the likes of "te fa'e" and "ve di'o" for the same reason ("fa'e" has no x3, and "di'o" has no x4). And we may wish to have in the grammar neither avoidable inconsistency nor unnecessary complication. Many do-nots in Lojban are already based upon semantics, upon whether it wouldn't make sense. I don't use "ve di'o", because it doesn't make sense, even though grammatical; I wouldn't use "se fa'a", because it wouldn't make sense, even if grammatical. mu'o -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.