Received: from mail-vc0-f189.google.com ([209.85.220.189]:35825) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SbiTC-0006eB-8g; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 18:22:12 -0700 Received: by vcbfo14 with SMTP id fo14sf4656689vcb.16 for ; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 18:21:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=RvubEvu1LBNwVKUbCSUzqdGTuEIoKisYLK8AssAlZeI=; b=D8I9TG79/tkq6URmlMBCG95J1ilIPIFH2wHBHrBTyptMDWjgjvH/CAyJnYhiq8K9HO jj/ZcGWE6jIuye/503UtJn5CEwM9AmosMckMjrntK9OA5WF0efZgDiZzPgR0haj4xjcw jflFe52g1jd5QgneDnT639XmKIKIq0GhM1SBM= Received: by 10.52.95.238 with SMTP id dn14mr796017vdb.1.1338859315794; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 18:21:55 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.227.74 with SMTP id iz10ls3061017vcb.8.gmail; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 18:21:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.24.68 with SMTP id s4mr27907128vdf.3.1338859315219; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 18:21:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.24.68 with SMTP id s4mr27907127vdf.3.1338859315207; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 18:21:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vb0-f41.google.com (mail-vb0-f41.google.com [209.85.212.41]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l12si37935vdf.3.2012.06.04.18.21.55 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 04 Jun 2012 18:21:55 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of nictytan@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.41 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.41; Received: by mail-vb0-f41.google.com with SMTP id ey12so3627153vbb.14 for ; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 18:21:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.70.116 with SMTP id l20mr12649879vdu.19.1338859314870; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 18:21:54 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.37.17 with HTTP; Mon, 4 Jun 2012 18:21:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Jacob Errington Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 21:21:34 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] FAhA & BAI To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: nictytan@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of nictytan@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.41 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=nictytan@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf307abcffddfadc04c1af794d X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --20cf307abcffddfadc04c1af794d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In that case, the thing faced is farna1, and not farna2? The definition is quite misleading to me: farna =3D x1 is the direction of x2 (object/event) from origin/in frame of reference x3. I'd say it means that there're two points, A and B, and the farna1 is the direction from A to B, where A is farna3. Of course, that produces a very weird farna1 that can't be filled by much. mu'o mi'e la tsani On 4 June 2012 21:16, Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: > On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 10:01 PM, Jacob Errington > wrote: > > I believe that all tags can be reduced into some form of a > fi'o-construct, > > but I haven't the time to actually produce such a list. > > That's how all tags are defined in the Lojban-Lojban section of jbovlaste= , > yes. > > > Anyway, is {fa'a} {fi'o farna} or {fi'o se farna}? I'd be inclined to s= ay > > {fi'o *se* farna} seeing as I honestly have no clue what one might put = in > > farna1... > > It's "fi'o farna". The sumti indicates the point towards which the > event is oriented. For example "fa'a lo gapru" for "upwards". > > Most other FAhA's however do correspond to a SE-converted gismu. > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den. --20cf307abcffddfadc04c1af794d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In that case, the thing faced is farna1, and not farna2? The definition is = quite misleading to me:
farna =3D x1 is the direction of x2 (object/eve= nt) from origin/in frame of reference x3.
I'd say it means th= at there're two points, A and B, and the farna1 is the direction from A= to B, where A is farna3. Of course, that produces a very weird farna1 that= can't be filled by much.

mu'o mi'e la tsani

On 4 June 2012 21:16, Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com= > wrote:
On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 10:= 01 PM, Jacob Errington <nictytan@g= mail.com> wrote:
> I believe that all tags can be reduced into some form of a fi'o-co= nstruct,
> but I haven't the time to actually produce such a list.

That's how all tags are defined in the Lojban-Lojban section of j= bovlaste, yes.

> Anyway, is {fa'a} {fi'o farna} or {fi'o se farna}? I'd= be inclined to say
> {fi'o *se* farna} seeing as I honestly have no clue what one might= put in
> farna1...

It's "fi'o farna". The sumti indicates the point to= wards which the
event is oriented. For example "fa'a lo gapru" for "upwa= rds".

Most other FAhA's however do correspond to a SE-converted gismu.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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