Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f61.google.com ([209.85.215.61]:47773) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Sc0T9-0007AU-Fv; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 13:35:16 -0700 Received: by laai10 with SMTP id i10sf3581014laa.16 for ; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 13:35:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=YHAMrvzJItCH0+9ztXEwxvj0pzWfkTSj1K9gGynlA0c=; b=M2Vyiy/0H3mgyKpppl4vEvGjX4/kYevYhm2/oHnyFzvTKoUiq9ilPDNVod1HQqMDSA RPncjU/+8IvOdG4fAsSPx2Px6pSFV7V8Cfdz5y+FeYfxO0ap657XyovzaWcUFzu/LFcS WU5iqNGSaS8IybmEnYocBHR/NQkqs6Nt6VzpY= Received: by 10.204.152.220 with SMTP id h28mr797044bkw.26.1338928502853; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 13:35:02 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.130.152 with SMTP id t24ls5859101bks.1.gmail; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 13:35:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.154.133 with SMTP id o5mr3338151bkw.0.1338928500934; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 13:35:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.154.133 with SMTP id o5mr3338150bkw.0.1338928500906; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 13:35:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lb0-f176.google.com (mail-lb0-f176.google.com [209.85.217.176]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id hy18si2293380bkc.2.2012.06.05.13.35.00 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 05 Jun 2012 13:35:00 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.176 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.217.176; Received: by mail-lb0-f176.google.com with SMTP id j14so6190289lbo.21 for ; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 13:35:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.48.2 with SMTP id h2mr8781255lbn.61.1338928500660; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 13:35:00 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.29.199 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Jun 2012 13:34:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <8CF116BEB828B18-9E8-438B@webmail-m130.sysops.aol.com> References: <90e6ba21241bef6d9e04c1bd2389@google.com> <8CF116BEB828B18-9E8-438B@webmail-m130.sysops.aol.com> From: MorphemeAddict Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 16:34:40 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Digest for lojban@googlegroups.com - 16 Messages in 7 Topics To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lytlesw@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.176 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lytlesw@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec554df48a95a0f04c1bf95aa X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --bcaec554df48a95a0f04c1bf95aa Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I still don't understand where the alien robots got Lojban from. Did they find it here after their arrival, or did they bring it with them? If they brought it with them, how did they know about it? stevo On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 3:52 PM, Terry Sofian wrote: > > MorphemeAddict Jun 04 08:19PM -0400 > > If the aliens teach the humans Lojban, then are you just using Lojban as a > (logical) alien language? This conflicts strongly with the real-world facts > of Lojban. Or maybe the aliens are teaching the humans Lojban because the > aliens understand Lojban qua Lojban more readily? > > stevo > > > > The aliens call la selpurdi are themselves a construct of a high level > alien culture the cev. The la selpurdi are biological robots programmed to > find worlds for their masters and terraform them so they will be habitable. > la selpurdi have a huge number of languages and communications methods, so > if they meet native species they will be able to communicate with them. One > of the modes of communication with which they are programmed is lojban. > Since the aliens are created creatures of pure logic they teach those they > encounter languages that suit such a system. They also teach humans the > logic to go with it. Now the aliens have some differences in their logic > system. Instead of using yes/no gates they would use a four pathway gate > Identical/Homologous/analagous/Unrelated. There are other differences but > this is the largest and most obvious. > > Terry > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --bcaec554df48a95a0f04c1bf95aa Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I still don't understand where the alien robots got Lojban from. Did th= ey find it here after their arrival, or did they bring it with them? If the= y brought it with them, how did they know about it?=A0

stevo

On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 3:52 PM, Ter= ry Sofian <tsofian@aol.com> wrote:

MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@gmail.com> Jun 04 08:19PM -040= 0 =A0

If the aliens teach the humans Lojban, then are you just using Lojban as a<= br> (logical) alien language? This conflicts strongly with the real-world facts=
of Lojban. Or maybe the aliens are teaching the humans Lojban because the aliens understand Lojban qua Lojban more readily?
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stevo


The aliens call la selpurdi are themselves a construct of a high level alie= n culture the cev.=A0The la selpurdi=A0are biological robots programmed to = find worlds for their masters and terraform them so they will be habitable.= la selpurdi have a huge number of languages and communications methods, so= if they meet native species they will be able to communicate with them. On= e of the modes of communication with which they are programmed is lojban. S= ince the aliens are created creatures of pure logic they teach those they e= ncounter languages that suit such a system. They also=A0teach humans the lo= gic to go with it. Now the aliens have some differences in their logic syst= em. Instead of using yes/no gates they would use a four pathway gate Identi= cal/Homologous/analagous/Unrelated. There are other differences but this is= the largest and most obvious.
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Terry

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