Received: from mail-vb0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]:35267) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Sco7R-000091-Mg; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 18:36:17 -0700 Received: by vbzb23 with SMTP id b23sf1096597vbz.16 for ; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 18:35:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id :mail-followup-to:references:mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-disposition; bh=drrEaFe6DqnpgpNjxSB5CEXz9aNKI/YP2hPVLXocuD0=; b=UKOqWcMK/uVJr6Kk71+GHgYbtWyP7AL7pNs45UJUqS5cH+XgP9HRRanQpoqUPLK/no VN1Z+Poj/wPB1tXQd3DZLVCauiz3AifbV49WTYM85F60Vd1HwSoJOA3eN6jW3pcdqZGO 2bJbwNZZI15yQstbgr9HLY7aVRP1JdBe8M1Ec= Received: by 10.68.233.1 with SMTP id ts1mr822734pbc.7.1339119358909; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 18:35:58 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.68.240.165 with SMTP id wb5ls3728678pbc.1.gmail; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 18:35:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.220.230 with SMTP id pz6mr4575180pbc.3.1339119358521; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 18:35:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.220.230 with SMTP id pz6mr4575177pbc.3.1339119358511; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 18:35:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stodi.digitalkingdom.org (mail.digitalkingdom.org. [173.13.139.236]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id tf10si3313573pbc.0.2012.06.07.18.35.58 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 07 Jun 2012 18:35:58 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.236 as permitted sender) client-ip=173.13.139.236; Received: from rlpowell by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Sco7J-00008v-Ay for lojban@googlegroups.com; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 18:35:57 -0700 Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 18:35:57 -0700 From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Helping with spam on lojban.org (cizyprijev , najrut, please read) Message-ID: <20120608013556.GC24040@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban@googlegroups.com References: <20120607172601.GX24040@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <4D6161CE-7212-4B61-9996-2952DDBB7C98@switchb.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4D6161CE-7212-4B61-9996-2952DDBB7C98@switchb.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Original-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.236 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / On Thu, Jun 07, 2012 at 09:33:20PM -0400, Kevin Reid wrote: > On Jun 7, 2012, at 13:26, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > > If you're going to delete spam on lojban.org, which I *hugely* > > appreciate, the following things need to happen or I'll just > > have to go do it myself in the end anyways: > > > > 1. The pages need to be *deleted*, not just emptied of content > > > > 2. The users in question need to have their email address and > > passwords changed. > > Is this a known valuable step? I've been dealing with > MediaWiki-targeted spam over three wikis, and in my experience the > current batch of spambots *never* reuse an account. I can see > deleting/disabling/marking accounts for cleanup purposes, but I > don't see that preventing logins actually helps. No, it's not known valuable. In this last round, each account has created multiple pages, but I've no idea if it was across more than one login. -Robin -- http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. .i ko na cpedu lo nu stidi vau loi jbopre .i danfu lu na go'i li'u .e lu go'i li'u .i ji'a go'i lu na'e go'i li'u .e lu go'i na'i li'u .e lu no'e go'i li'u .e lu to'e go'i li'u .e lu lo mamta be do cu sofybakni li'u -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.