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I think that Bob's definition makes {tubnu} much more useful.
As for a rewording, why not something like:
x1 is a length of tubing/pipe/hollow cylinder [shape/form]
of outer material x2, with contents/containing x3.

mu'o mi'e la tsani

On 13 June 2012 16:41, djandus <jandew@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wednesday, June 13, 2012 6:22:58 AM UTC-5, lojbab wrote:
>>
>> I was trying to word it to obtain a more generalized concept - one that
>> would allow us to consider an insulated wire to be a tube or insulation
>> with a copper (or other conductor) as the filling (or alternatively, the
>> electric current might be considered the "filling", though this is
>> stretching the concept).
>>
>
> I kind of like this idea -- and I can see how it applies to the current
> definition, unedited. (That is, "hollow" can be a noun referring to the
> hollow space itself.) The definition should definitely be reworded, though.
> How about:
>
> x1 is a length of tubing/pipe/hollow cylinder [shape/form]
> of outer material x2, of inner material x3.
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I think that Bob&#39;s definition makes {tubnu} much more useful.<div>As fo=
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<div><br></div><div>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e la tsani<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_q=
uote">On 13 June 2012 16:41, djandus <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailt=
o:jandew@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">jandew@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote=
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x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"im">On Wednesday, June 13, 201=
2 6:22:58 AM UTC-5, lojbab wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D=
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rm] of=A0outer=A0material x2, of inner material x3.=A0<br></div><div class=
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