Received: from mail-ob0-f189.google.com ([209.85.214.189]:37780) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SfZhv-0003h1-ET; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 09:49:27 -0700 Received: by obbtb18 with SMTP id tb18sf3041982obb.16 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 09:49:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-ct-class:x-ct-score:x-ct-refid:x-ct-spam :x-authority-analysis:x-cm-score:message-id:date:from:organization :user-agent:x-accept-language:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=CFDOoKhWgj9rrIU79n3b44X1b+OaprZT7nlD1InGLc4=; b=mAlMk2oA3/7jpcBMqi2t2fRSh3N3jK/JNoOhX7uodPk3Nhtoqk8vpmmKM1/Ij/23Hh FPErtozmPCqL7SiXaXcM1YLEXEgYT+7Ee1UUnbE/S6VfLGqGWEmJIKVSr1SypFLY7++u stty7yuGEECzGRevDM/E6xCu/nRsCzHjPYT4g= Received: by 10.52.68.141 with SMTP id w13mr500996vdt.18.1339778944928; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 09:49:04 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.204.129 with SMTP id fm1ls880510vcb.7.gmail; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 09:49:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.240.229 with SMTP id wd5mr4235639vdc.8.1339778943872; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 09:49:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.240.229 with SMTP id wd5mr4235637vdc.8.1339778943864; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 09:49:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eastrmfepo203.cox.net (eastrmfepo203.cox.net. [68.230.241.218]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id y4si2776796vds.2.2012.06.15.09.49.03; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 09:49:03 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 68.230.241.218 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of lojbab@lojban.org) client-ip=68.230.241.218; Received: from eastrmimpo306.cox.net ([68.230.241.238]) by eastrmfepo203.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20120615164903.KLPC18532.eastrmfepo203.cox.net@eastrmimpo306.cox.net> for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 12:49:03 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.101] ([70.187.237.100]) by eastrmimpo306.cox.net with bizsmtp id Ngp21j00F2AfMYu02gp25s; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 12:49:03 -0400 X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020203.4FDB677F.004C,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=dNOJEUGZcFs5STy3k3rINHH9Rbwl7Iu0A7suO5q4evY= c=1 sm=1 a=dYDkaTZZu5wA:10 a=DRsJ7AZ4aEMA:10 a=xmHE3fpoGJwA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=MQZuvjT3xUZLKv0gclfWMg==:17 a=8YJikuA2AAAA:8 a=jlC1vlrWNXBMcpR0K5IA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=dxBpO5_FDU0A:10 a=MQZuvjT3xUZLKv0gclfWMg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <4FDB677E.6050302@lojban.org> Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2012 12:49:02 -0400 From: "Bob LeChevalier, President and Founder - LLG" Organization: The Logical Language Group, Inc. User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] What is the x3 of tubnu? References: <20120603195142.GF8656@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <20120604034427.GP8656@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <4FD87812.1080006@lojban.org> <4a4842d3-9a04-452b-b49c-4462823bae96@googlegroups.com> <4FDA4F2F.5080906@lojban.org> In-Reply-To: X-Original-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 68.230.241.218 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of lojbab@lojban.org) smtp.mail=lojbab@lojban.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / Jacob Errington wrote: > Well, even that wording isn't really so bad at all. I mean -- what is a > pipe? It's essentially a "transient container" open on both ends, isn't it? A container is implicitly defined by its function (to contain its contents). tubnu and certain other words are shapes or forms - the function may follow from the form, but the essential concept is the form and not the function. You'll find that the wording of a lot of gismu make reference to the form/function dichotomy - something we thought was of fundamental semantic importance back when we defined the place structures. lojbab -- Bob LeChevalier lojbab@lojban.org www.lojban.org President and Founder, The Logical Language Group, Inc. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.