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That's what he's talking about. In the example, the "third" is not due to
si'e, but to fi'u.

On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 3:03 PM, Michael Turniansky
<mturniansky@gmail.com>wrote:

>     What you are seeing here is an artifact of English.  "nth" here is
> used not in the ordinal sense (first, second, third, etc.), but in the
> sense of a fraction (think of three fifTHS, eleven twelfTHs, etc.)
>
>                         --gejyspa
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 4:50 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:
>
>> On Friday 15 June 2012 13:53:23 guskant wrote:
>> > The definition of si'e is inconsistent with its usage. According to
>> > the Complete Lojban Language Chapter 18 (and also to jbovlaste), si'e
>> > is defined as:
>> >    x1 is an (n)th portion of mass x2.
>> > The example shows however that si'e itself does not imply fi'u (an
>> (n)th):
>> >    11.8)    levi sanmi cu fi'ucisi'e lei mi djedi cidja
>> >        This-here meal is-a-slash-three-portion-of my day-food.
>> >        This meal is one-third of my daily food.
>> > Guessing from the example, the definition of si'e must be:
>> >    x1 is n times portion of mass x2.
>> > n is a positive real number or 0, or may be simply a real number. I
>> > can't imagine the case that n is a complex number, but it might be
>> > mathematically possible.
>>
>> Sounds good to me. You may want to add a note that, normally, n is 0
>> ga'obi'iga'o 1.
>>
>> Pierre
>>
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That&#39;s what he&#39;s talking about. In the example, the &quot;third&quo=
t; is not due to si&#39;e, but to fi&#39;u.<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quot=
e">On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 3:03 PM, Michael Turniansky <span dir=3D"ltr">&l=
t;<a href=3D"mailto:mturniansky@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">mturniansky@gm=
ail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">=A0 =A0 What you are seeing=
 here is an artifact of English. =A0&quot;nth&quot; here is used not in the=
=A0ordinal=A0sense (first, second, third, etc.), but in the sense of a frac=
tion (think of three fifTHS, eleven twelfTHs, etc.)<div>

<br></div><div>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 --gejyspa</d=
iv><div><div class=3D"h5"><div><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, J=
un 15, 2012 at 4:50 PM, Pierre Abbat <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailt=
o:phma@phma.optus.nu" target=3D"_blank">phma@phma.optus.nu</a>&gt;</span> w=
rote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>On Friday 15 June 2012 13:53:23 guskant=
 wrote:<br>
&gt; The definition of si&#39;e is inconsistent with its usage. According t=
o<br>
&gt; the Complete Lojban Language Chapter 18 (and also to jbovlaste), si&#3=
9;e<br>
&gt; is defined as:<br>
&gt; =A0 =A0x1 is an (n)th portion of mass x2.<br>
&gt; The example shows however that si&#39;e itself does not imply fi&#39;u=
 (an (n)th):<br>
&gt; =A0 =A011.8) =A0 =A0levi sanmi cu fi&#39;ucisi&#39;e lei mi djedi cidj=
a<br>
&gt; =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0This-here meal is-a-slash-three-portion-of my day-food.=
<br>
&gt; =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0This meal is one-third of my daily food.<br>
&gt; Guessing from the example, the definition of si&#39;e must be:<br>
&gt; =A0 =A0x1 is n times portion of mass x2.<br>
&gt; n is a positive real number or 0, or may be simply a real number. I<br=
>
&gt; can&#39;t imagine the case that n is a complex number, but it might be=
<br>
&gt; mathematically possible.<br>
<br>
</div>Sounds good to me. You may want to add a note that, normally, n is 0<=
br>
ga&#39;obi&#39;iga&#39;o 1.<br>
<span><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
Pierre<br>
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