Received: from mail-ee0-f61.google.com ([74.125.83.61]:60755) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SgHXl-0003BR-BF; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 08:37:38 -0700 Received: by eekb57 with SMTP id b57sf2736822eek.16 for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 08:37:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=4AjOGYnZ5q18Rpa4O9KfHcMOwjRhbyxg/2TmDM+PEpw=; b=cwadQzPl88N07PrlbjQ9BHkLNnAbpIZ3ZrrRU0/JrnJ1bXZxL4zjHJOQZMZ26WmVsD WK2HfWPUzUUyA6ZL2wWzJmeKMOPPfjEuBR518KdUNdvahq5RpsnGcMXcFnsVX0RcXOxM LgwHNZlFY3xzX/MSXd2a55SeRL+BA6z4mOlLQ= Received: by 10.204.152.18 with SMTP id e18mr579955bkw.16.1339947449082; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 08:37:29 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.129.85 with SMTP id n21ls2770267bks.6.gmail; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 08:37:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.205.122.65 with SMTP id gf1mr1474819bkc.2.1339947448571; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 08:37:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.205.122.65 with SMTP id gf1mr1474818bkc.2.1339947448548; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 08:37:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f45.google.com (mail-lpp01m010-f45.google.com [209.85.215.45]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id hy18si12247284bkc.2.2012.06.17.08.37.28 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 17 Jun 2012 08:37:28 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.45 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.215.45; Received: by lahc1 with SMTP id c1so3352555lah.4 for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 08:37:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.98.231 with SMTP id el7mr5222960lbb.14.1339947448060; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 08:37:28 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.29.199 with HTTP; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 08:37:07 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: MorphemeAddict Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 11:37:07 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Lojban Wiktionary closure proposal. To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lytlesw@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.45 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lytlesw@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04016983a8ccd004c2acd327 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --f46d04016983a8ccd004c2acd327 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 11:24 AM, Escape Landsome wrote: > Besides, you would not take the time to define cinfykalte. > > The word explains from itself. > > The utility of a dictionary is not to explain obvious words > Then almost all dictionaries suffer from this 'lack of utility', since they all explain (or define) many obvious words. The problem is that a word that is obvious to one person may not be obvious to another. Part of the reason for defining even the simple words is to let the reader know that there are no surprises in the meaning, or what they are if they exist. I think we need a Lojban dictionary for all its words just as much as any other language needs a self-defining dictionary. stevo > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --f46d04016983a8ccd004c2acd327 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 11:24 AM, Escape= Landsome <escaaape@gmail.com> wrote:
Besides, you would not take the time to define cinfykalte.

The word explains from itself.

The utility of a dictionary is not to explain obvious words

Then almost all dictionaries suffer from this 'lac= k of utility', since they all explain (or define) many obvious words. T= he problem is that a word that is obvious to one person may not be obvious = to another. Part of the reason for defining even the simple words is to let= the reader know that there are no surprises in the meaning, or what they a= re if they exist.=A0
I think we need a Lojban dictionary=A0for all its words=A0just as much= as any other language needs a self-defining dictionary.=A0

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