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Arguing that some Lojbanic words do not /need/ transating has nothing to do
with whether Lojban needs a dictionary at all. While it is true that lujvo
formed by combining the rafsi form of SE with a single gismu is "obvious"
in its meaning, we still need a definition of the individual components.
There's no point in arguing against the inclusion of certain valsi; Lojban
most definitely needs a dictionary, that is the reason we have jbovlaste,
vlasisku, etc. As far as which words should be included in a Lojban
dictionary- there is no harm in being overly-complete and defining words
which may not "need" to be, such as selta'i, but there is harm in being
incomplete. It is better to have /all/ words and be assured that all users
needs are met, then any other option.

In any case, the point of this topic is not to debate the need for a
dictionary, nor which words should or should not be included. The purpose
is ascertain whether we jbopre care about the existence of the Lojban
Wiktionary sepcifically and it's possible (likely) impending deletion.

On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 9:39 AM, Escape Landsome <escaaape@gmail.com> wrote:

> No.
>
> A << concern >> is a word you cannot guess what it means without an
> english dictionary
>
> But a << selta'i >> you can, provided you know "se(l)" and "tatpi/ta'i"
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Arguing that some Lojbanic words do not /need/ transating has nothing to do=
 with whether Lojban needs a dictionary at all. While it is true that lujvo=
 formed by combining the rafsi form of SE with a single gismu is &quot;obvi=
ous&quot; in its meaning, we still need a definition of the individual comp=
onents. There&#39;s no point in arguing against the inclusion of certain va=
lsi; Lojban most definitely needs a dictionary, that is the reason we have =
jbovlaste, vlasisku, etc. As far as which words should be included in a Loj=
ban dictionary- there is no harm in being overly-complete and defining word=
s which may not &quot;need&quot; to be, such as selta&#39;i, but there is h=
arm in being incomplete. It is better to have /all/ words and be assured th=
at all users needs are met, then any other option.<br>
<br>In any case, the point of this topic is not to debate the need for a di=
ctionary, nor which words should or should not be included. The purpose is =
ascertain whether we jbopre care about the existence of the Lojban Wiktiona=
ry sepcifically and it&#39;s possible (likely) impending deletion.<br>
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 9:39 AM, Escape Land=
some <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:escaaape@gmail.com" target=3D"=
_blank">escaaape@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gm=
ail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-le=
ft:1ex">
No.<br>
<br>
A &lt;&lt; concern &gt;&gt; is a word you cannot guess what it means withou=
t an<br>
english dictionary<br>
<br>
But a &lt;&lt; selta&#39;i &gt;&gt; you can, provided you know &quot;se(l)&=
quot; and &quot;tatpi/ta&#39;i&quot;<br>
<div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br>
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</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>mu&#39;o mi=
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