Received: from mail-we0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]:43866) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SgHtI-0003O4-3z; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 09:00:02 -0700 Received: by werm13 with SMTP id m13sf2803830wer.16 for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 08:59:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=QXbT0NqyoxvOT1qrKRLTs8N58cZuPpk4POq1d9JY8Yo=; b=WUQ3l7RuCmwcU+c49iizIuKK6rLzKB0hM/9BB3yNDtYrO3dtRZw44K0qKp6N0SxReO AtrU8xI+VnMYJgGH4HneElrNtM4ybUWq0P6+fnqeig8cLqralAe994M5bsc2UmitGiFr ketXK0lPVvhuV6g+scKhiuriNrr+OInkJZuyw= Received: by 10.204.13.74 with SMTP id b10mr571943bka.6.1339948784632; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 08:59:44 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.130.152 with SMTP id t24ls2708449bks.1.gmail; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 08:59:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.154.133 with SMTP id o5mr1483665bkw.0.1339948783743; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 08:59:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.154.133 with SMTP id o5mr1483664bkw.0.1339948783721; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 08:59:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f49.google.com (mail-lpp01m010-f49.google.com [209.85.215.49]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p5si12285810bks.1.2012.06.17.08.59.43 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 17 Jun 2012 08:59:43 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.49 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.215.49; Received: by mail-lpp01m010-f49.google.com with SMTP id p9so3946428laa.22 for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 08:59:43 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.86.166 with SMTP id q6mr5185474lbz.6.1339948783520; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 08:59:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.46.36 with HTTP; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 08:59:43 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 09:59:43 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Lojban Wiktionary closure proposal. From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.49 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0401faed424a8d04c2ad23f4 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --f46d0401faed424a8d04c2ad23f4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 9:49 AM, Escape Landsome wrote: > And, another thing : you will never need to define "cinkyfalte" > because cinkyfalte can be the fact that a lion hunts, the fact that > people hunt lions, and even the fact that people hunts using lions as > if they were hunting hounds, or the fact that lions are used a arrows > to hunt birds (!!???) > > And the fact that it is more likely the first or second instance than > the third or the fourth comes not from a dictionary structure, but > from enclyclopedic wisdom > That statement is patently false. All Lojbanic words can only have one meaning. While this meaning can and usually is rather vague, a hunting lion and hunting using a lion are different concepts and therefore must be two different words. It is therefore necessary to define which is meant. -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --f46d0401faed424a8d04c2ad23f4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 9:49 AM, Escape Landsome= <escaaape@gmail.com> wrote:
And, another thing : you will never need to define "cinkyfalte" because cinkyfalte can be the fact that a lion hunts, the fact that
people hunt lions, and even the fact that people hunts using lions as
if they were hunting hounds, or the fact that lions are used a arrows
to hunt birds (!!???)

And the fact that it is more likely the first or second instance than
the third or the fourth comes not from a dictionary structure, but
from enclyclopedic wisdom

That statement is patent= ly false. All Lojbanic words can only have one meaning. While this meaning = can and usually is rather vague, a hunting lion and hunting using a lion ar= e different concepts and therefore must be two different words. It is there= fore necessary to define which is meant.

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mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.e'ucai ko c= mima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the = Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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