Received: from mail-yw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.213.61]:58623) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SgJW4-0004SU-5B; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 10:44:08 -0700 Received: by yhq56 with SMTP id 56sf4736575yhq.16 for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 10:43:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :message-id:references:to:x-mailer:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=+TX6KRUYKwxPdlGH4yrCHIe2H0syP0gpqspMmK1iDzg=; b=2t2DEMSHpumRd9j/mqY4qpcPDxmRnhxaPCcjCWzw10l0fI3tCM99sVg1kUgiMGdD/B tYqBKlymfbx7ZTfrewWr5vtEI6fqMWcOBRmR0XGwG5/PcJNfdecjDdLtBxGh0/53Gvz8 O8BLEvrx9KwGQs+CI8h3Se70m+x42gPSnK07c= Received: by 10.224.215.5 with SMTP id hc5mr191376qab.6.1339955033794; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 10:43:53 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.102.157 with SMTP id g29ls2939244qco.0.gmail; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 10:43:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.33.148 with SMTP id h20mr7792452qad.3.1339955032185; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 10:43:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.33.148 with SMTP id h20mr7792450qad.3.1339955032176; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 10:43:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from li60-119.members.linode.com (linode.feoh.org. [97.107.130.119]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id fp29si7220198qcb.3.2012.06.17.10.43.52 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 17 Jun 2012 10:43:52 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 97.107.130.119 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of kpreid@switchb.org) client-ip=97.107.130.119; Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by li60-119.members.linode.com with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SgJVv-0001Y0-Mp for lojban@googlegroups.com; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 17:43:51 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Subject: Re: [lojban] Lojban Wiktionary closure proposal. From: Kevin Reid In-Reply-To: <20120617165753.GO1445@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 13:43:51 -0400 Message-Id: <86C602C7-BB9D-40F2-9E0D-7E925A779088@switchb.org> References: <20120617165753.GO1445@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) X-Original-Sender: kpreid@switchb.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 97.107.130.119 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of kpreid@switchb.org) smtp.mail=kpreid@switchb.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / On Jun 17, 2012, at 12:57, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > I care deeply: I want it gone, and I've always wanted it gone. It > dilutes effort that should go into jbovlaste (or its successor). A point of fact: Unless I am misinformed, or overgeneralizing from en.wikti= onary.org, it is not fully duplicative of jbovlaste. jbovlaste stores definitions of Lojban words, written in many languages. .wiktionary.org stores definitions of many languages' words, written in= . That is, jbo.wiktionary.org stores *definitions written in Lojban*, which i= s not the same thing as *definitions of Lojban words* except when those def= initions are written in Lojban. en.wiktionary.org is a resource for English= speakers to look up words, regardless of source language; jbo.wiktionary.o= rg would be a resource for Lojban speakers to look up words. Reviewing shows that the = majority of words defined are Lojban words; however, there are a few from o= ther languages. (There are also several Lojban-word-named articles which co= ntain non-Lojban text, presumably definitions; this is, to my understanding= , not appropriate content.) Regardless of the above, I agree that jbo.wiktionary.org does not seem like= something we should fight to keep; I see it as a "secondary" resource to L= ojbanists whereas I think we have a shortage of "primary" resources =97 tex= ts written in Lojban and other non-meta usage of Lojban. --=20 Kevin Reid --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.