Received: from mail-vc0-f189.google.com ([209.85.220.189]:59065) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SgYdv-00019d-II; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 02:53:13 -0700 Received: by vcbfo14 with SMTP id fo14sf5154031vcb.16 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 02:53:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from :to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=GoBXmkwirtXU/De5L6DwC8apmTbPV+TrzGwGQ67Amok=; b=cMcKVtE2oT4Ns+fyTg6bJYVIuZj4mUpBzg59YeepKmYwHQyXKHBQtdREhqZjMWJq92 f0c99UBQTOKt+hofCDdIiqL573YGoJnZIsQnJHPGwEdD2l+Ozi1h3a/j2vDRLAw2AmzF vO5y2reCUFrQ33AVxq0e5W3Mbhk//TPQpnpew= Received: by 10.236.9.41 with SMTP id 29mr187065yhs.0.1340013181122; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 02:53:01 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.236.131.237 with SMTP id m73ls1281162yhi.0.gmail; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 02:52:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.101.180.23 with SMTP id h23mr7813556anp.14.1340013179520; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 02:52:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.101.180.23 with SMTP id h23mr7813555anp.14.1340013179503; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 02:52:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yw0-f41.google.com (mail-yw0-f41.google.com [209.85.213.41]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f27si5036754anj.1.2012.06.18.02.52.59 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 18 Jun 2012 02:52:59 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of escaaape@gmail.com designates 209.85.213.41 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.213.41; Received: by mail-yw0-f41.google.com with SMTP id 47so3521414yhr.28 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 02:52:59 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.51.132 with SMTP id k4mr7708703igo.17.1340013179307; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 02:52:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.15.74 with HTTP; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 02:52:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 11:52:59 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: [lojban] Are Natlang the best case for entropy in communication ? From: Escape Landsome To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: escaaape@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of escaaape@gmail.com designates 209.85.213.41 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=escaaape@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / Coi rodo, in a noisy verbal interaction, for instance, on a phone call (but this applies to any case, indeed), it is good for communication that the elements of signal can be easily distinguished, so as to avoid reception errors. This is achieved by natlangs, by sparsing all the existing words (for instance, adverbs) in such a "morphologic space" that has very few collisions. For instance, the english words for "few", "many", "a lot" and "none" are phonologically very different of each other, so there is little chance you could confuse them by hearing them on a deficient phone. But this is not the case of lojban words, for instance so'a, so'e, so'i, so'o etc. are very near of each other, and, assuming you don't hear well the last vowel, you could infer something very far from what was intended by the other speaker. So, is not that something that is annoying ? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.