Received: from mail-ob0-f189.google.com ([209.85.214.189]:62270)
	by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128)
	(Exim 4.76)
	(envelope-from <lojban+bncCIywt_XDCRCG4v3-BBoEHMKQWw@googlegroups.com>)
	id 1SggXU-0006zz-MM; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 11:19:25 -0700
Received: by obbtb18 with SMTP id tb18sf5958362obb.16
        for <multiple recipients>; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 11:18:46 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed;
        d=googlegroups.com; s=beta;
        h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-yahoo-newman-property:x-yahoo-newman-id
         :x-ymail-osg:x-mailer:references:message-id:date:from:reply-to
         :subject:to:in-reply-to:mime-version:x-original-sender
         :x-original-authentication-results:precedence:mailing-list:list-id
         :x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender
         :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type;
        bh=EtKXuBImtUXqJYHHakAefdw3cLCHH+nATFf6gI7xUTo=;
        b=6RBxCwQdyITYj5OqfRuEtrl78CiSQJRz+iGrZud8OfjVi9i7n0PtVYQYY2DZkrR62U
         gtwTK3Yu7hTyUHOQDOzIW/GmfdiAiNlB94tTeQTBX66VE3h4h68X/LLb5myf0QScZsj4
         H3sc8MPmUzme8Gqfx6meeVN4vrAxNNEnqWNLI=
Received: by 10.50.171.102 with SMTP id at6mr1505467igc.6.1340043526315;
        Mon, 18 Jun 2012 11:18:46 -0700 (PDT)
X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com
Received: by 10.231.74.81 with SMTP id t17ls3913503ibj.0.gmail; Mon, 18 Jun
 2012 11:18:45 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by 10.50.220.161 with SMTP id px1mr9557953igc.1.1340043525045;
        Mon, 18 Jun 2012 11:18:45 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by 10.50.220.161 with SMTP id px1mr9557950igc.1.1340043524997;
        Mon, 18 Jun 2012 11:18:44 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from nm39.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm39.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com. [98.138.229.32])
        by gmr-mx.google.com with SMTP id s10si3615900igs.0.2012.06.18.11.18.44;
        Mon, 18 Jun 2012 11:18:44 -0700 (PDT)
Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 98.138.229.32 as permitted sender) client-ip=98.138.229.32;
Received: from [98.138.226.177] by nm39.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2012 18:18:44 -0000
Received: from [68.142.200.227] by tm12.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2012 18:18:44 -0000
Received: from [66.94.237.117] by t8.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2012 18:18:44 -0000
Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1022.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2012 18:18:44 -0000
X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3
X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 682202.33750.bm@omp1022.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com
Received: (qmail 66537 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Jun 2012 18:18:44 -0000
X-YMail-OSG: sz.u3R0VM1nCHnGPbu5umE52Sx6xi5wWVHWhrN2znEk459H
 k8ASpfg7xFJbFBjDoWNdPnK75w2x7_0X7o6hf5.s.NWY_aO1PdLucgbdQ8MZ
 ucYdDJAXtLWwhQr2AAAjb.j2h8804CSfqId6x0KssFnmX2f3GeR8oPAeJydX
 Yrl8rBhkZqmrirnBtj4frq02_yn01fl3vjP1oZdItRdrHUYMPuZFmubB2Ww3
 SFt7.pgzZ.CxgIDu4HbiriXuFOs8m6Thnd2XwkbjY_LPvNdcWnXg8PL3TZ4h
 W5L0EYQ.uOdcULUelLzWdeCpx7qwaXtlVpYRp4gWp5XDhuYAviOP1ghyIcb2
 9NN7WDMe1kYi3DKCz8yP9HCfj3L1rwrWUadla66wr1k9yfdz3dFNydoSSYxZ
 2e8jxd0b5gvac2CHjgfmlus8MGmOO3pFLv22ucUKKNPcKu0eDhIuSF2CkZ4.
 GKuoexSA4z1a2Tgd45eUYnQ7tNgyc8WoHhELqAm7SdLYpDhKjJzrL.BhMOT_
 aofWYBlpTCEF0tFu.P0.AjYzTvA1rP1mVf0X.SAVXpN7q0YoygSHIduLY.U.
 xHSHfonBftado1Y_Dy3rJvZQfc5ytySJp1FF51OMAtXI-
Received: from [99.92.108.194] by web184406.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 11:18:43 PDT
X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524
References: <CAGO2uOPcMjNogyRO8Wi-v+swm60xLR8X21=aykzmcMOh51e0-g@mail.gmail.com> <fd761f5a-0269-43b7-bd60-7fe8f827c497@googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <1340043523.14478.YahooMailNeo@web184406.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 11:18:43 -0700 (PDT)
From: John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com>
Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Are Natlang the best case for entropy in
 communication ?
To: "lojban@googlegroups.com" <lojban@googlegroups.com>
In-Reply-To: <fd761f5a-0269-43b7-bd60-7fe8f827c497@googlegroups.com>
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Original-Sender: kali9putra@yahoo.com
X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com:
 best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 98.138.229.32
 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kali9putra@yahoo.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@yahoo.com
Precedence: list
Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com
List-ID: <lojban.googlegroups.com>
X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417
List-Post: <http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/post?hl=en_US>, <mailto:lojban@googlegroups.com>
List-Help: <http://groups.google.com/support/?hl=en_US>, <mailto:lojban+help@googlegroups.com>
List-Archive: <http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en_US>
Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com
List-Subscribe: <http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/subscribe?hl=en_US>, <mailto:lojban+subscribe@googlegroups.com>
List-Unsubscribe: <http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/subscribe?hl=en_US>, <mailto:googlegroups-manage+1004133512417+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com>
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="1789658926-653690029-1340043523=:14478"
X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/)
X-Spam_score: -0.7
X-Spam_score_int: -6
X-Spam_bar: /

--1789658926-653690029-1340043523=:14478
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Presumably the oft-repeated one to take noisy signals into account in LoCCa=
n 3 so that very different concepts don't have readily confused words (a pr=
oblem across most cmavo categories, at least).



________________________________
 From: la .lindar. <lindarthebard@gmail.com>
To: lojban@googlegroups.com=20
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 12:28 PM
Subject: [lojban] Re: Are Natlang the best case for entropy in communicatio=
n ?
=20

So, is not that something that is annoying ?=20
>

No.
It is quite annoying.

What is your point, though?=A0
--=20
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "=
lojban" group.
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lo=
jban/-/KIe4XBEjVE8J.
To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou=
ps.com.
For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban=
?hl=3Den.

--=20
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "=
lojban" group.
To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou=
ps.com.
For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban=
?hl=3Den.


--1789658926-653690029-1340043523=:14478
Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

<html><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:ti=
mes new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>Presumably=
 the oft-repeated one to take noisy signals into account in LoCCan 3 so tha=
t very different concepts don't have readily confused words (a problem acro=
ss most cmavo categories, at least).<br></span></div><div><br></div>  <div =
style=3D"font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 1=
2pt;"> <div style=3D"font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; =
font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"> <hr s=
ize=3D"1">  <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> la .linda=
r. &lt;lindarthebard@gmail.com&gt;<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;=
">To:</span></b> lojban@googlegroups.com <br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight=
: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, June 18, 2012 12:28 PM<br> <b><span style=
=3D"font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> [lojban] Re: Are Natlang the be=
st case for
 entropy in communication ?<br> </font> </div> <br>
<div id=3D"yiv231703405"><blockquote class=3D"yiv231703405gmail_quote" styl=
e=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex=
;">So, is not that something that is annoying ?
<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>No.</div><div>It is quite annoying.</d=
iv><div><br></div><div>What is your point, though?&nbsp;</div>



-- <br>
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "=
lojban" group.<br>
To view this discussion on the web visit <a rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_bla=
nk" href=3D"https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/-/KIe4XBEjVE8J">https://=
groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/-/KIe4XBEjVE8J</a>.<br>=20
To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com.<br>
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou=
ps.com.<br>

For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban=
?hl=3Den.<br>


</div><br><br> </div> </div>  </div></body></html>

<p></p>

-- <br />
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "=
lojban" group.<br />
To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com.<br />
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou=
ps.com.<br />

For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban=
?hl=3Den.<br />



--1789658926-653690029-1340043523=:14478--