Received: from mail-vc0-f189.google.com ([209.85.220.189]:54355) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SgtOE-00057S-Pa; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 01:02:28 -0700 Received: by vcbfo14 with SMTP id fo14sf6168757vcb.16 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 01:02:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=MDzNxhlz9Y0z5D4eBYcP6gnymaaqR9Lz3ezQFNdVIew=; b=fJVkkqrmXWInuQXDxIYxSkz36sxjtuVqXZD3h5iL4TgbFwiGHOH3eS+KhEB6aLD8vT zyDoFbZW8sn9MguZkakRmNRs5oZxqh4cOrdUwmK4WXbeYknyuCHB2BSuDA7z3Ee1CNHq Imr+LRzzHy6IeMbpsV3Dfz6/DFdOBPd/nEgbM= Received: by 10.236.115.198 with SMTP id e46mr927738yhh.16.1340092932239; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 01:02:12 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.236.128.9 with SMTP id e9ls7315662yhi.9.gmail; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 01:02:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.101.106.8 with SMTP id i8mr9783220anm.6.1340092931353; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 01:02:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.101.106.8 with SMTP id i8mr9783219anm.6.1340092931338; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 01:02:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yx0-f178.google.com (mail-yx0-f178.google.com [209.85.213.178]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v25si7692631yhm.0.2012.06.19.01.02.11 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 19 Jun 2012 01:02:11 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of escaaape@gmail.com designates 209.85.213.178 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.213.178; Received: by mail-yx0-f178.google.com with SMTP id l6so4385085yen.9 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 01:02:11 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.104.170 with SMTP id gf10mr254851igb.52.1340092931012; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 01:02:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.15.74 with HTTP; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 01:02:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1340045495.92664.YahooMailNeo@web184415.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1340043523.14478.YahooMailNeo@web184406.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1340045495.92664.YahooMailNeo@web184415.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 10:02:10 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Are Natlang the best case for entropy in communication ? From: Escape Landsome To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: escaaape@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of escaaape@gmail.com designates 209.85.213.178 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=escaaape@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / Escaping sarcastically the difficulty does not solve it either. I understand that lojbanists use to protect themselves against any criticism, as in a besieged citadel, but the point still holds : << if very different concepts are given very near phonological forms, isn't this a bad move ? >> And : << Does not the fact natlangs do not have this problem generally speaking imply that they are more well designed than lojban on this particular point ? >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.