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The problem is not to find examples of utterances where one single
phonem is harmful

You WILL find some

There are SOME

In any language

You could even say, for instance, that "a few" is too much near "few"

But the problem is that here you have a whole set of possibilities (=3D
a paradigm) where all the possibilities are very near one to another,
and yet their meanings are very distinct and even, opposite.

I don't find an hypothetic language that would have numbers 1, 2, 3,
... 1000 and which would be gah, gahh, g'ah, gaa, g=E2=E2 could be very
cleverly designed, especially if the other words are very different
form "gah"

I don't find lojban is greatly inspired to have "none", "all", and
"many" and "few" distinct by only one letter, in the same paradigm !

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