Received: from mail-vb0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]:42285) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Sgwes-0006Zx-Bq; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 04:31:44 -0700 Received: by vbzb23 with SMTP id b23sf6482460vbz.16 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 04:31:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=DdQYaITwkmxY3vA6HpMpYtLAvCKJUm5m+cSOuAWIWUI=; b=1v5fj9wF2i+B+bqWp9VQb8p5+hMgLC1Pbghgmsww75SM/hgdZ5EtZ2Y5KgTAM88q6g v2RI6kgoYAJmLK1mnaXaj1menSy8h7gE3xWrTWJu1W8MqsJcXvEoTAyqf8+ldOKIqIyU N3ENlMtQNgIaVw18frtOLh/eBjhXQXvfYamvY= Received: by 10.236.115.198 with SMTP id e46mr965007yhh.16.1340105495831; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 04:31:35 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.236.138.163 with SMTP id a23ls7435466yhj.4.gmail; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 04:31:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.157.1 with SMTP id n1mr6872939yhk.1.1340105494228; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 04:31:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.157.1 with SMTP id n1mr6872938yhk.1.1340105494212; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 04:31:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yx0-f180.google.com (mail-yx0-f180.google.com [209.85.213.180]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z27si14499152yhn.2.2012.06.19.04.31.34 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 19 Jun 2012 04:31:34 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of escaaape@gmail.com designates 209.85.213.180 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.213.180; Received: by mail-yx0-f180.google.com with SMTP id q6so6351522yen.39 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 04:31:34 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.51.132 with SMTP id k4mr728859igo.17.1340105493910; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 04:31:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.15.74 with HTTP; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 04:31:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <74243394-F7AA-46CD-B731-21E95827CE6B@yahoo.com> References: <74243394-F7AA-46CD-B731-21E95827CE6B@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 13:31:33 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Are Natlang the best case for entropy in communication ? From: Escape Landsome To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: escaaape@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of escaaape@gmail.com designates 209.85.213.180 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=escaaape@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / > Well, a lot of "words" in Chinese are phonologically identical, but the p= roblem is solved by not using a given word in isolation but rather embedded= in a cloud of distinctive other words. =A0When a Chinese speaks of shrimp,= for example, the expression he uses translates as something like "shrimp s= hrimp [a different word] fish bug" (from memory, details may vary, though n= ot the principle). True, that is, with redundancy the code can convey information more securely... This is well known in information theory. Please, consider the notion of paradigm. A paradigm is a set of options or choices you can choose one within the set. If there is ambiguity between two words that are not in the same paradigm, this is not as annoying as if the ambiguit lies between two words of the same paradigm, not even mentioning the case of two opposite words ! For instance, in english, you could confound "none" and "nun", or "all" and "owl", but at least there's no chance to confound "all" and "none", AND THAT IS THE IMPORTANT THING ! --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.