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On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 4:13 AM, tijlan <jbotijlan@gmail.com> wrote:

> Also crucial is the changing social structures & norms. How often do
> we say "he or she" for the lack of a better pronoun to refer to the
> increasingly common gender-irrelevant sets of individuals? Would you
> expect a 'random natural' process to give birth to a good neuter to
> replace this inefficient three-word phrase?
>

Since that process is causing the replacement to be "they", I personally
say no.

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Also crucial is the changing social structures &amp; norms. How often do<br=
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we say &quot;he or she&quot; for the lack of a better pronoun to refer to t=
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replace this inefficient three-word phrase?<br></blockquote></div><br>Since=
 that process is causing the replacement to be &quot;they&quot;, I personal=
ly say no.<br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e .aionys.<br><br>
.i.e&#39;ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo&#39;=
o<br>(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )<br><br>

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