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In the simplest possible manner, I like this; can't remember seeing it
before...

On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 12:49 PM, Escape Landsome <escaaape@gmail.com>wrote=
:

> We have no reason to get upset because on ONE PARTICULAR point
> natlangs behave better than lojban.
>
> There is even a chance that lojban can be amended in a way it behaves
> better then natlangs after the amendment.
>
> Suppose for instance we are given a new consonant "q", one could state
> that from now there is a strict equivalence between the phonological
> sequences
>
> "a" and "aqa"
>
> "e" and "eqe"
>
> "i" and "iqi"
>
> "o" and "oqo"
>
> "u" and "uqu"
>
> Thus, so'a and so'e can be confused in a noisy environement, but
> saying so'aqa ou so'eqe would avoid that.
>
> This is a simple example to show you that discussing a drawback of
> lojban does not mean being mean towards it, rather it is what is
> expected from anybody here : that is, being scientific and examine
> closely and open-mindedly any problem.
>
> [I don't think the solution I proposed is a good one, either.   But at
> least it shows this is no dead-end street question.   And also we've
> no need to be aggressive.   Meanwhile, natlangs are still better than
> lojban on the entropy topic]
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<div dir=3D"ltr">In the simplest possible manner, I like this; can&#39;t re=
member seeing it before...<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 21=
, 2012 at 12:49 PM, Escape Landsome <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto=
:escaaape@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">escaaape@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wr=
ote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">We have no reason to get upset because on ON=
E PARTICULAR point<br>
natlangs behave better than lojban.<br>
<br>
There is even a chance that lojban can be amended in a way it behaves<br>
better then natlangs after the amendment.<br>
<br>
Suppose for instance we are given a new consonant &quot;q&quot;, one could =
state<br>
that from now there is a strict equivalence between the phonological<br>
sequences<br>
<br>
&quot;a&quot; and &quot;aqa&quot;<br>
<br>
&quot;e&quot; and &quot;eqe&quot;<br>
<br>
&quot;i&quot; and &quot;iqi&quot;<br>
<br>
&quot;o&quot; and &quot;oqo&quot;<br>
<br>
&quot;u&quot; and &quot;uqu&quot;<br>
<br>
Thus, so&#39;a and so&#39;e can be confused in a noisy environement, but<br=
>
saying so&#39;aqa ou so&#39;eqe would avoid that.<br>
<br>
This is a simple example to show you that discussing a drawback of<br>
lojban does not mean being mean towards it, rather it is what is<br>
expected from anybody here : that is, being scientific and examine<br>
closely and open-mindedly any problem.<br>
<br>
[I don&#39;t think the solution I proposed is a good one, either. =C2=A0 Bu=
t at<br>
least it shows this is no dead-end street question. =C2=A0 And also we&#39;=
ve<br>
no need to be aggressive. =C2=A0 Meanwhile, natlangs are still better than<=
br>
lojban on the entropy topic]<br>
<div class=3D"im HOEnZb"><br>
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