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On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 5:50 AM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:
> On Friday 15 June 2012 13:53:23 guskant wrote:
>> The definition of si'e is inconsistent with its usage. According to
>> the Complete Lojban Language Chapter 18 (and also to jbovlaste), si'e
>> is defined as:
>> =A0 =A0x1 is an (n)th portion of mass x2.
>> The example shows however that si'e itself does not imply fi'u (an (n)th=
):
>> =A0 =A011.8) =A0 =A0levi sanmi cu fi'ucisi'e lei mi djedi cidja
>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0This-here meal is-a-slash-three-portion-of my day-food.
>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0This meal is one-third of my daily food.
>> Guessing from the example, the definition of si'e must be:
>> =A0 =A0x1 is n times portion of mass x2.
>> n is a positive real number or 0, or may be simply a real number. I
>> can't imagine the case that n is a complex number, but it might be
>> mathematically possible.
>
> Sounds good to me. You may want to add a note that, normally, n is 0
> ga'obi'iga'o 1.
>
> Pierre
>

I'm not sure if we really need to limit the range of n to  0 ga'obi'iga'o 1=
.
According to http://www.lojban.org/tiki/BPFK+Section%3A+Numeric+selbri
we have five menbers of MOI: moi, mei, si'e, cu'o and va'e.

x1 number moi x2 x3	x1 me x2 gi'e lidne da'a number me x2 x3
x1 number mei x2	x1 me x2 gi'e klani li number lo se gradu be x2
x1 number si'e x2	x1 pagbu x2 gi'e klani li number lo se gradu be x2
x1 number cu'o x2	x1 se pacna zi'o li number va'o x2
x1 number va'e x2	x1 se merli zi'o li number x2

Besides si'e, no other menber of MOI signifies a quantity n relative
to another quantity of the same material. There is ce'i that has a
similar meaning, but it is a member of PA3 and does not form a selbri.

On this condition, it would be better not to limit the range of n for
the capability of the language. With no limit, we could say, for
example:

I vomit all I ate yesterday:
levi sanmi cu ni'upasi'e lei mi djedi cidja
(This meal is -1 times of my daily food.)

I eat too much, or I cannot eat so much:
levi sanmi cu musi'e lei mi djedi cidja
(This meal is five times of my daily food.)

On the left side of the time-dependent Schroedinger equation, the
partial derivative of the wave function psi with respect to time t is
multiplied by "i times portion of Planck constant h-bar":
le vi stodi cu ka'osi'e le la plank. stodi
(This constant is i times of h-bar.)

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