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[212.227.126.186]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x8si861926wif.3.2012.06.23.08.46.05 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 23 Jun 2012 08:46:05 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 212.227.126.186 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of kozmikreis@lojban.org.uk) client-ip=212.227.126.186; Received: from [192.168.0.5] (82-71-48-121.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk [82.71.48.121]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrbap4) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MWjXP-1SOrTD31tz-00XvYS; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 17:46:04 +0200 From: kozmikreis Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Subject: Re: [lojban] Lojban Wiktionary closure proposal. Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 16:46:04 +0100 In-Reply-To: <59abbc57-3da2-4e58-a61d-f1d08bc78329@googlegroups.com> To: lojban@googlegroups.com References: <59abbc57-3da2-4e58-a61d-f1d08bc78329@googlegroups.com> Message-Id: <4C5DB69B-9635-421D-87CB-A18058D2B487@lojban.org.uk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:yeTFPvS3PBjxMCibEUKsCWgyxLxh1Su/4TgF6Y2xS0e ye1NckheY88M++tOyvZK++VqzF2J6ZejBkohgEEP3ywmxXeQNc 0fC+FhllGIJ0xB1+uE4smiW3vDimas0I1vKqeJWKH4aeLReoHJ ZW8mpru3dISKYM37vlnNN1P2kqro54W5RG1OGVHjnSNCgfkfa6 LpKWbIzUPae/dWBq4O5PjUJ+RrK7Hos+H6QKhZT1b4wPaLSMNa 7NrjLV4+hZyvGNvITy2yswwu2TTlSG9MlpJzaagjdhmtZNKR1P BDRU98WRkgKbSwCvCVQQblCraD2NN/JZAotgspVBq81E3lzxa/ mIYvC55bAAjqZ+bEQ/I+JojNfjiMNJsGVT1qY2qA5q9rMSK0k0 BC8qOUSOhCCyQ== X-Original-Sender: kozmikreis@lojban.org.uk X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 212.227.126.186 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of kozmikreis@lojban.org.uk) smtp.mail=kozmikreis@lojban.org.uk Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_0D107FEE-55D6-493A-A4CA-7DC63EF18900" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --Apple-Mail=_0D107FEE-55D6-493A-A4CA-7DC63EF18900 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On 21 Jun 2012, at 10:30, osiris_hades_deathland@hotmail.com wrote: > n Sunday, June 17, 2012 9:32:38 AM UTC-4, aionys wrote: > Google alerts recently informed me of this:=20 >=20 > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Closure_of_= Lojban_Wiktionary >=20 > Do we care? >=20 > --=20 > mu'o mi'e .aionys. >=20 > .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o > (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) >=20 > I think we should keep it. Lojban already suffers from obscurity. We need= all the visibility we can muster.=20 I wholeheartedly agree. It's a good enough resource for beginners and it b= rings visibility and credence. Is there any harm in keeping it, and if not= how do we go about making an actionable objection to its loss beyond what'= s otherwise merely an academic discussion on a mailing list? I don't under= stand what criteria needs to be met. Thanks, kozmikreis --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den. --Apple-Mail=_0D107FEE-55D6-493A-A4CA-7DC63EF18900 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
On 21 Jun 2012, = at 10:30, osiris_hade= s_deathland@hotmail.com wrote:

n Sunday, June 17, 2012 9:32:38 AM UTC-4, ai= onys wrote:
Google alerts recen= tly informed me of this: 

http://meta.wikimedi= a.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Closure_of_Lojban_Wiktionary<= br>
Do we care?

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mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.e'= ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to= the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

=
I think we should keep it. Lojban already suffers from obscurity. We n= eed all the visibility we can muster. 

I wholeheartedly agree.  It's a good enough resource for beginners a= nd it brings visibility and credence.  Is there any harm in keeping it= , and if not how do we go about making an actionable objection to its loss = beyond what's otherwise merely an academic discussion on a mailing list? &n= bsp;I don't understand what criteria needs to be met.

<= div>Thanks,

kozmikreis

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