Received: from mail-yw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.213.61]:62939) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SiiJ4-0005lW-DA; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 01:36:38 -0700 Received: by yhq56 with SMTP id 56sf3558733yhq.16 for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 01:36:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=ZJJe65Y/Lgi4NThTx1VjNjnkQj0RpKEXNlYSDTjTW7c=; b=tSZuPM3mLIZIaOcW81ylZH4U63VzRyQgKR2XVrdnFJGwcVPlx3jFKyMIaAYtM3C9rt F2bthU53TCVWBeZoN5+WP9BDGZ7t46k9qfm100UQxi2NleMENv8GmjY6ZA6FiHm/cJoA uR6p0YeaPTudOxQYW3d/8a4H4pqfeM2MSjBEs= Received: by 10.50.212.74 with SMTP id ni10mr799416igc.6.1340526983810; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 01:36:23 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.208.71 with SMTP id mc7ls946064igc.3.canary; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 01:36:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.197.134 with SMTP id iu6mr5648497igc.1.1340526983296; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 01:36:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.197.134 with SMTP id iu6mr5648496igc.1.1340526983287; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 01:36:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ob0-f173.google.com (mail-ob0-f173.google.com [209.85.214.173]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id rd6si1703160igb.2.2012.06.24.01.36.23 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 24 Jun 2012 01:36:23 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of escaaape@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.173 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.173; Received: by mail-ob0-f173.google.com with SMTP id ta14so6580839obb.18 for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 01:36:23 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.237.72 with SMTP id va8mr5439976igc.17.1340526982902; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 01:36:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.15.74 with HTTP; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 01:36:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5b45b636-9709-4409-a900-f7442b7e6603@googlegroups.com> References: <5b45b636-9709-4409-a900-f7442b7e6603@googlegroups.com> Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 10:36:22 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] {fa'a} and expressing "towards" in Lojban. From: Escape Landsome To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: escaaape@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of escaaape@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.173 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=escaaape@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / > So I think that {mi klama fa'a do} means, approx, {lo nu mi klama > cu se farna do} > i.e. "the event of my going, as a whole, faces you". > Which, generally speaking, is a pretty remarkably useless > concept. The event of going has an intrinsic (but most often unused) face. This face is the face of an imaginary person who would act the aforementioned going. Let I make myself clearer : when you say (in english) : << The guys began to drink, and, ten beers later, they were totally drunk. >>, you do as if << ten beers >> had a duration property. You use the intrinsic duration property of "ten beers" to say "ten beers later". That seems odd, because "a day", "a year", "a symposium", "a speech" have intrinsic duration property, but how could "a beer" have one ? The fact is it has. That's because "a beer" is connected to usual actions a beer leads to, such as to drink it, mostly, and "the drinking" has a duration property. It is up to lojban grammarians to decide if broda, in the general case, has intrinsic properties, or not. If it has, this makes the creation of simple sentences much more easy. If not, this may be more light on a logical level (on a pragmatic one, in fact), but sentences will be more difficult to combine. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.