Received: from mail-lb0-f189.google.com ([209.85.217.189]:53519) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SinOU-00006Z-Ry; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 07:02:37 -0700 Received: by lbol5 with SMTP id l5sf3056804lbo.16 for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 07:02:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=FqFBmXq500hsiejKj1jkpikOb1cZwbk/4ojbIPFXVAs=; b=Wi/s7ZVDNv/GDgGaGnkA8Jt9buMgE1s9Gi3epU66JNRHmUL1bnXciwCrRhVFOQgYQ4 C3LXTDdh7IernmrkUxVxGtvAF8J/XovR58SLEXRTPEi7tugcw7pwdFMdluQMQydWGgnn Xte1hksII++++KTij7SRDW5sy7LkBbYwYKteo= Received: by 10.204.129.7 with SMTP id m7mr355250bks.32.1340546538393; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 07:02:18 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.152.214 with SMTP id h22ls2877988bkw.4.gmail; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 07:02:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.205.122.65 with SMTP id gf1mr897376bkc.2.1340546537355; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 07:02:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.205.122.65 with SMTP id gf1mr897375bkc.2.1340546537330; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 07:02:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lb0-f181.google.com (mail-lb0-f181.google.com [209.85.217.181]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ig3si10639660bkc.3.2012.06.24.07.02.17 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 24 Jun 2012 07:02:17 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.181 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.217.181; Received: by lbbgk8 with SMTP id gk8so5677622lbb.40 for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 07:02:17 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.131.9 with SMTP id oi9mr8591656lab.39.1340546536894; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 07:02:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.46.36 with HTTP; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 07:02:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <74243394-F7AA-46CD-B731-21E95827CE6B@yahoo.com> <5fbb3fd1-8c00-42a4-9dac-e9889e69757f@googlegroups.com> <000eea56-0a1e-4f54-8862-3cc817d539e1@googlegroups.com> <9cb9e4c0-f3fa-4183-8582-f14de670148c@googlegroups.com> Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 08:02:16 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Are Natlang the best case for entropy in communication ? From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.181 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d042c647722efd204c33850d2 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --f46d042c647722efd204c33850d2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 No. No more argument. If you do not provide /evidence/, you will /never/ convince me. I don't believe you. I have heard you repeat your argument time and again. In fact, all you've done /at all/ in this thread is repeat your argument, over and over again. You have not once provided one reason for why you are even /talking/ about this, as Lindar asked you to do more than once, nor have you provided even the merest shred of evidence. I don't need to hear your argument. I don't need to hear other arguments about similar things made by other people. This is not philosophy: we require proof. On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 7:41 AM, Escape Landsome wrote: > Considering that nobody has metrics for Lojban or for the general case > of paradigms in totally any language, you won't have more than > qualitative argument based on mathematical properties of complexity > measures and generic minorations/majorations of allowed values. > > Thus, the genetic argument is roughly the one given here ---> > http://bluemoon.lescigales.org/Kholok/CollectiveDesambiguation.html > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --f46d042c647722efd204c33850d2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No. No more argument. If you do not provide /evidence/, you will /never/ co= nvince me.

I don't believe you. I have heard you repeat your arg= ument time and again. In fact, all you've done /at all/ in this thread = is repeat your argument, over and over again.

You have not once provided one reason for why you are even /talking/ ab= out this, as Lindar asked you to do more than once, nor have you provided e= ven the merest shred of evidence.

I don't need to hear your argu= ment. I don't need to hear other arguments about similar things made by= other people. This is not philosophy: we require proof.

On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 7:41 AM, Escape Land= some <escaaape@gmail.com> wrote:
Considering that nobody has metrics for Lojban or for the general case
of paradigms in totally any language, you won't have more than
qualitative argument based on mathematical properties of complexity
measures and generic minorations/majorations of allowed values.

Thus, the genetic argument is roughly the one given here --->
http://bluemoon.lescigales.org/Kholok/CollectiveDesa= mbiguation.html

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