Received: from mail-wg0-f61.google.com ([74.125.82.61]:49996) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Sio64-0000VM-6F; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 07:47:29 -0700 Received: by wgbdt10 with SMTP id dt10sf2374225wgb.16 for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 07:47:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=waSO0xqfShinPJYWU29Xgy8G2yajzIszR9mypGDH8do=; b=k+9kAk4lOYs/bA9dDqZ6cMfY6U1HNspf2zVFqxYkdNtj0sKjb4pLp1NHnmh0KrCbIF 93xHWzui82aEdIzGI/jzoGVgv818JMOnzHuuqJzhRbVCKWsAn6aGGSI9JZkigRjac1Uz plzXn2eFohVjzu7S/e3szRUTPIzKgOF/tS4Jg= Received: by 10.204.9.211 with SMTP id m19mr408169bkm.0.1340549240449; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 07:47:20 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.129.208 with SMTP id p16ls3018984bks.7.gmail; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 07:47:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.149.210 with SMTP id u18mr909522bkv.1.1340549238951; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 07:47:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.149.210 with SMTP id u18mr909521bkv.1.1340549238937; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 07:47:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lb0-f175.google.com (mail-lb0-f175.google.com [209.85.217.175]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id hy18si10720127bkc.2.2012.06.24.07.47.18 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 24 Jun 2012 07:47:18 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.175 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.217.175; Received: by lbol5 with SMTP id l5so5118542lbo.6 for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 07:47:18 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.45.4 with SMTP id i4mr4422012lbm.79.1340549238545; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 07:47:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.86.193 with HTTP; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 07:47:18 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <5b45b636-9709-4409-a900-f7442b7e6603@googlegroups.com> Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 11:47:18 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] {fa'a} and expressing "towards" in Lojban. From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.175 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 5:36 AM, Escape Landsome wrote: > > The event of going has an intrinsic (but most often unused) face. > This face is the face of an imaginary person who would act the > aforementioned going. Yes, although it's not necessarily the face of the person. If someone walks backwards from A to B, the direction of going is still towards B, even though the person is facing towards A. The intrinsic orientation of the going is from origin to destination. Many events in which something moves have an intrinsic orientation, which is the direction of movement. Other events with obvious intrinsic orientation but not about movement are looking and talking. Using "fa'a" with "klama" is somewhat redundant because "klama" already has a slot for the destination (although sometimes the direction of going can be different from the destination at some points of the going, when the going is looked at in enough detail so it does not happen in a straight line). But with "cadzu" or "bajra" it makes perfect sense: "mi bajra fa'a do" -> "lo nu mi bajra cu se farna do". mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.