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Also "scientificity" isn't a word.

On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 9:00 AM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 8:49 AM, Escape Landsome <escaaape@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> > EVIDENCE is date gathered from experiments designed to support or
>> refute a
>> > hypothesis.
>>
>> * In hard science like Mathematics or Physics, yes
>>
>
> No, in *ALL* science. If there is no experimentation, it *ISN'T* science.
>
> While it is true that the so-called "soft" sciences such a psychology,
> sociology, et al., are usually incapable of coming to concrete conclusions,
> they still use *experiments* to accrue *evidence* of their *hypotheses*.
>
> Your mathematical formulae have no basis in any kind of experimenting, and
> thusly can not be given any higher regard than numbers which are *completely
> made up*. You must have experiments to back up your claim, for without
> them, that's all you have; a *claim*.
>
> Furthermore, even after repeatedly being requested to do so, you have *yet
> * to provide a reason for *why you've brought this up in the first place*.
>
> I am not a "believer". I hold my opinion for the simple reason that there
> is no evidence to the contrary.
>
> --
> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>
> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )
>
>


-- 
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Also &quot;scientificity&quot; isn&#39;t a word.<br><br><div class=3D"gmail=
_quote">On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 9:00 AM, Jonathan Jones <span dir=3D"ltr">&=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:eyeonus@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">eyeonus@gmail.com=
</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div clas=
s=3D"im">On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 8:49 AM, Escape Landsome <span dir=3D"ltr"=
>&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:escaaape@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">escaaape@gmail=
.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div>&gt; EVIDENCE is date gathered from experiments designed to support or=
 refute a<br>
&gt; hypothesis.<br>
<br>
</div>* In hard science like Mathematics or Physics, yes<br clear=3D"all"><=
/blockquote></div><div><br>No, in <i><u><b>ALL</b></u></i> science. If ther=
e is no experimentation, it <i><u><b>ISN&#39;T</b></u></i> science.<br><br>
While it is true that the so-called &quot;soft&quot; sciences such a psycho=
logy, sociology, et al., are usually incapable of coming to concrete conclu=
sions, they still use <i>experiments</i> to accrue <i>evidence</i> of their=
 <i>hypotheses</i>.<br>

<br>Your mathematical formulae have no basis in any kind of experimenting, =
and thusly can not be given any higher regard than numbers which are <i>com=
pletely made up</i>. You must have experiments to back up your claim, for w=
ithout them, that&#39;s all you have; a <i>claim</i>.<br>

<br>Furthermore, even after repeatedly being requested to do so, you have <=
i>yet</i> to provide a reason for <i>why you&#39;ve brought this up in the =
first place</i>.<br><br>I am not a &quot;believer&quot;. I hold my opinion =
for the simple reason that there is no evidence to the contrary. <br>

</div></div><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br>-- <br>mu&#39;o mi&=
#39;e .aionys.<br><br>.i.e&#39;ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.lu=
k. mi patfu do zo&#39;o<br>(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :=
D )<br>
<br>
</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>mu&#39;o mi=
&#39;e .aionys.<br><br>.i.e&#39;ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.l=
uk. mi patfu do zo&#39;o<br>(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. =
:D )<br>
<br>

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