Received: from mail-fa0-f61.google.com ([209.85.161.61]:35056) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SioOd-0000iG-Fk; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 08:06:47 -0700 Received: by faaa5 with SMTP id a5sf2376330faa.16 for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 08:06:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=cluPvxRvt+S1turvW1u50qfdoRMK6ip/O19kNwEn4Mc=; b=xAmUg7uh4PveFYHL8tGp1akCj67r7p0+seFnXbsONOL10hmU7JHOzVsCxdDN07Tuu0 ms5ZpmAtkBkzhgrulW019KcW9GdZLpFzK26U7lGAksqAlsAtQnoWvCsm2oyuv9roT+jS O0HpW556qmJl8HPZ3xHBA0wfupjVxUoJXl6lE= Received: by 10.204.145.68 with SMTP id c4mr359061bkv.27.1340550391614; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 08:06:31 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.130.152 with SMTP id t24ls2954200bks.1.gmail; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 08:06:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.205.127.139 with SMTP id ha11mr133629bkc.5.1340550390909; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 08:06:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.205.127.139 with SMTP id ha11mr133628bkc.5.1340550390890; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 08:06:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lb0-f170.google.com (mail-lb0-f170.google.com [209.85.217.170]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p5si10752125bks.1.2012.06.24.08.06.30 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 24 Jun 2012 08:06:30 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.170 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.217.170; Received: by lbgc1 with SMTP id c1so11974070lbg.1 for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 08:06:30 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.99.71 with SMTP id eo7mr4542235lbb.84.1340550390478; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 08:06:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.46.36 with HTTP; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 08:06:30 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <74243394-F7AA-46CD-B731-21E95827CE6B@yahoo.com> <5fbb3fd1-8c00-42a4-9dac-e9889e69757f@googlegroups.com> <000eea56-0a1e-4f54-8862-3cc817d539e1@googlegroups.com> <9cb9e4c0-f3fa-4183-8582-f14de670148c@googlegroups.com> Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 09:06:30 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Are Natlang the best case for entropy in communication ? From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.170 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04016a23d3f86a04c3393546 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --f46d04016a23d3f86a04c3393546 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 8:49 AM, Escape Landsome wrote: > * Anyway, you want ... (unnecessary) precise studies.... No, what I want is studies, period. At this point, there have been no case studies regarding the relative likelihood of miscomprehension between utterances in Lojban and Natlang-X, which means there is absolutely no evidence one way or another about the subject. As I said before, this isn't philosophy. Without evidence, there can be no conclusions, only claims and arguments. -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --f46d04016a23d3f86a04c3393546 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 8:49 AM, Escape Landsome= <escaaape@gmail.com> wrote:
* Anyway, you want ... (unnecessary) precise studies....
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No, what I want is studies, period. At this point, there have been no c= ase studies regarding the relative likelihood of miscomprehension between u= tterances in Lojban and Natlang-X, which means there is absolutely no evide= nce one way or another about the subject. As I said before, this isn't = philosophy. Without evidence, there can be no conclusions, only claims and = arguments.

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